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CheffoJeffo:
Good point ... I shouldn't have missed that.

OTOH, I wouldn't expect the RIAA to make the distinction either and would expect them to file suit anyway ...  ;)
Patent Doc:

--- Quote ---Not necessarily. Not all audio CD's are copyrighted. For example, I could make a CD of myself whistling Dixie and place it in the public domain. Anyone could rip/copy/do whatever they wanted with it, legally. There is actually quite a bit of independent, non-copyrighted music floating around out there; particularly from people who use the internet file sharing as a free distribution/publicity/get noticed channel. YouTube has a ton of non-copyrighted video and audio as well.
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MaximRecoil

Nope you are wrong.  ALL CD's are copyrighted, just not all have registrations.  The distinction is works that are registered versus those that aren't.  Once the work is fixed in a tangible medium it has copyright.  No registration required.  This could be personal letters to your grandmother, you whistling Dixie, whatever...so long as the expression is fixed copyright is there.  This would apply to the Youtube stuff too.  As I recall, youtube had an agreement with some of the major music companies to either remove videos or pay for the right to leave them up (I could be wrong about that, but that's what I remember).  


MaximRecoil:

--- Quote from: Patent Doc on March 11, 2008, 01:43:19 pm ---
--- Quote ---Not necessarily. Not all audio CD's are copyrighted. For example, I could make a CD of myself whistling Dixie and place it in the public domain. Anyone could rip/copy/do whatever they wanted with it, legally. There is actually quite a bit of independent, non-copyrighted music floating around out there; particularly from people who use the internet file sharing as a free distribution/publicity/get noticed channel. YouTube has a ton of non-copyrighted video and audio as well.
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MaximRecoil

Nope you are wrong.  ALL CD's are copyrighted, just not all have registrations.  The distinction is works that are registered versus those that aren't.  Once the work is fixed in a tangible medium it has copyright.  No registration required.  This could be personal letters to your grandmother, you whistling Dixie, whatever...so long as the expression is fixed copyright is there.  This would apply to the Youtube stuff too.
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LOL. I had a feeling someone would bring that up. But then I tried thinking of a word other than "non-copyrighted" and nothing came to mind. Then I decided, "Screw it, everyone knows what I'm talking about, especially since I specifically mentioned placing it into the public domain."

In other words, pretty much everyone is aware of what you are talking about, and also, pretty much no-one cares when it comes to using the word "copyright" in everyday language.


--- Quote ---As I recall, youtube had an agreement with some of the major music companies to either remove videos or pay for the right to leave them up (I could be wrong about that, but that's what I remember).
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I wasn't talking about copyrighted music (and yes, I'm using the word "copyright" in the common-speak sense, and will continue to do so from here on out). 
ChadTower:

--- Quote from: rrcade on March 11, 2008, 12:54:27 am ---Everyone here has full sets of Roms...........Don't tell me you are Legally entitled to own and play every game.......Get off your high horse.

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That's not true.  Some of us do not have MAME cabs and don't use emulators.
Neverending Project:

--- Quote from: saint on March 11, 2008, 12:00:50 pm ---
--- Quote from: Neverending Project on March 11, 2008, 10:45:15 am ---I think many also miss the point that even if you own the game, it is illegal to possess a copy of that game. It has been brought up that since nobody owns every game out there, that nobody has the right to own the entire rom set. While this is true, it is also true that nobody has the right to copy any rom (except for roms published as free, or where their copyright has expired).

If you buy a CD, you are not entitled to make or buy a copy of it. If you buy a DVD or computer game, you aren't entitled to copy it. You are not entitled to make a photocopy of all the books you own any more that you are allowed to possess a copied version of a published book. Hell, you can't even make a clone of yourself, let alone the people that you own.

Morality is an entirely other topic, however.

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I concur with everything CheffoJeffo said regarding this. It is my understanding you have the legal right to backup media you own.

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This is true, and I misspoke for CDs. Making a copy for your own use does fall under fair use for music in the US. But making a backup copy of a DVD however, does circumvent the copy protection and is illegal. The DCMA states that "No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title." Many claim that it falls under the umbrella of Fair Use, but Title 17, Section 107 of the U.S. Code, states that using copyrighted works "for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement." This doesn't really apply to DVD copying. Most people will go ahead and back-up their own DVD media, knowing that prosecution for such an innocuous breach would be a bit futile (hence an issue of morality). I guess a technicality is that you may make a copy of the DVD for your own personal use, but you can't break the encrytion (CSS) to do so, hence it is technically impossible.

Software still falls under the protection of the DCMA unless it is on a form of media that has become obsolete, or requires a dongle that has become obsolete. I think that making a copy of a copyright ROM is considered making a copy of a software program, and is hence illegal.
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