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Jdurg:

--- Quote from: mrserv0n on March 11, 2008, 12:12:41 am ---Not a question of legal or illegal, its illegal. period, copyrighted material. done.

Question is does a development team want to sue you for a game they made in 1994 and havent made money on since 1995. Answer No. So your not going to get in trouble for it.

If you sell things people DO make money on, movies, or xbox 360 games, you will get busted. Lets use morbid.net , was caught selling xbox games 1:1 backups. Shutdown, received 2-3 years supervised release , and a fine. finished it, started up AGAIN selling 1:1 wii, 360, ps2 backups, BUSTED AGAIN, got 2 years in prison and a $2500 fine.

On the flip side, there are mame burners out there who have been selling mame, daphne etc for over 8 years and are still up and kicking. Because noone is going to sue you for an atari or arcade set.

I see nothing wrong with selling roms, that are out of development and no longer making money in the open market,  its convenient and quick for people to get games, For those who downloaded there mame set vs buying it from a burner and thinks there method of obtaining the games is OK needs there head checked. theres no difference there.



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It's not that rock solid of an argument.  Unless those copyrights have fallen into the public domain (which they have not), there is someone out there who owns the rights to those ROMS.  If Microsoft, or Nintendo, or Sony wanted to sell those games on their online arcade system but somebody was distributing them for free or selling them and making money off of them, you bet your damned soul that they will sue the living hell out of that person.  So going around and believing that you're not going to be sued because the game is very old is a tiny bit naive.

I think the big "anger" with the person selling the roms is the fact that he's trying to make people think he did all the work to write the software and dump the data from the roms and put everything together so that he can charge an exorbinant price.  I've seen E-Bay sellers and websites selling full rom discs for $5.00 and stating that they are just covering the materials cost and not claiming that they developed the software and code.

The legality of the ROMS is a moot point.  What this guy is doing is akin to selling "free samples" of something for high prices and making people think that he's the one who created the stuff.  Meanwhile, the people could go down the road and get the exact same thing for free.  It's taking advantage of people and morally I find that far more wrong than downloading a ROM in the first place.  Hell, if I was at that show I would draw a sign on posterboard with links to sites where people could get the exact same software for free and stand right in front of his booth.  If he said something to me, I'd make him regret it.
shardian:

--- Quote from: Jdurg on March 11, 2008, 09:36:17 am ---Hell, if I was at that show I would draw a sign on posterboard with links to sites where people could get the exact same software for free and stand right in front of his booth.  If he said something to me, I'd make him regret it.

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 :laugh2: :laugh2:

That would be good right there.
saint:

--- Quote from: Bluedeath on March 11, 2008, 06:34:31 am ---One question if someone has a conversioe (i.e. strider for c64) can we say that the right to play other verssions of it are included also?

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No. There's no legal basis for that. Also, often times one version is done by a company who has licensed the rights to do so from the original copyright holder, but are not themselves the original copyright holders. Owning version "a" of a game does not give you the legal right to use version "b" of the game you don't own.
gnateye:

--- Quote from: shardian on March 10, 2008, 04:37:32 pm ---
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on March 10, 2008, 04:19:47 pm ---


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It is 1 million times worse in the rest of the world.

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i'm not sure how true this is, i've read an article in wired about dvd pirating in china seems to be a huge epidemic there as well, and they have a few more people then us.... im sure the MPAA would love to have us all believe that the US is the worst.


also, and i'm not taking sides here just an observation; hasn't anyone on here been to any kind of scifi convention before? they are hotbeds of movies (new and old) pirates and anime and any tv shows you can think of always have been, before the internets you had to goto a Con to score stuff most would get from bittorrents now. again i'm not taking any sides just observing. i do think the guy claiming to have written the programs is bunk, but ive heard worse smack at Cons before.

my measly 2 cents
Bluedeath:

--- Quote from: saint on March 11, 2008, 09:39:35 am ---
--- Quote from: Bluedeath on March 11, 2008, 06:34:31 am ---One question if someone has a conversion (i.e. strider for c64) can we say that the right to play other versions of it are included also?

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No. There's no legal basis for that. Also, often times one version is done by a company who has licensed the rights to do so from the original copyright holder, but are not themselves the original copyright holders. Owning version "a" of a game does not give you the legal right to use version "b" of the game you don't own.

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thanks for pointing that out. but if i use images of the software that i own on the emulation of the machine that runs it is "bullet proof" legal right? (Taking for granted that i even got the machine but it may be broken or dead)
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