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Samstag:
--- Quote from: SavannahLion on May 04, 2008, 03:18:24 am ---In the end, how can we pass judgment a 1:05 video about a situation we know very little about? Maybe the pilot had to land there. Maybe the plane was carrying some kind of life saving cargo. Was it a private or commercial plane? What kind of experience did the pilots have? What lead up to that video? What happened afterwards? How "heavy" is a heavy storm? Would it be the same kind of "heavy" storm that Alaskan bush pilots are known to contend with or is it the kind of "heavy" storm that causes an desert airport to shutdown due to a mere 2" of snowfall?
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You can look up the answers to those questions if you'd like to argue based on fact rather than ignorance. ;)
danny_galaga:
samstag is right. you are legally obliged to duty of care as commanding officer. these questions:
"In the end, how can we pass judgment a 1:05 video about a situation we know very little about? Maybe the pilot had to land there. Maybe the plane was carrying some kind of life saving cargo. Was it a private or commercial plane? What kind of experience did the pilots have?"
are moot points. 1) pilot in command always submits a flight plan which includes an alternate landing site. 2) cargo doesnt matter 3) most of the rules regarding safety are the same for private or commercial. besides, other than john travolta, there arent that many private planes around that size...
in this situation, he probably should have gone round earlier. around 35 seconds into the video id say. having said that, even though there are clear legal guidelines on safety, there are always pressures from the operators on the pilots. this is often what leads to accidents- pilot trying to save time and/or money by taking risks/shortcuts. even though in the end, if there is an accident, its the pilot who is most accountable...
SavannahLion:
--- Quote from: Samstag on May 04, 2008, 04:23:14 am ---
--- Quote from: SavannahLion on May 04, 2008, 03:18:24 am ---In the end, how can we pass judgment a 1:05 video about a situation we know very little about? Maybe the pilot had to land there. Maybe the plane was carrying some kind of life saving cargo. Was it a private or commercial plane? What kind of experience did the pilots have? What lead up to that video? What happened afterwards? How "heavy" is a heavy storm? Would it be the same kind of "heavy" storm that Alaskan bush pilots are known to contend with or is it the kind of "heavy" storm that causes an desert airport to shutdown due to a mere 2" of snowfall?
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You can look up the answers to those questions if you'd like to argue based on fact rather than ignorance. ;)
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You've got to be kidding, thank you for missing the point entirely. This is really an armchair discussion that holds no bearing on whether the pilot in question keeps or loses his license. I'm not arguing about anyone discussing on facts vs ignorance. Feel free to spend hours, weeks or months digesting all the facts about this incident and why the pilot kept his license. In the end, what does it get you? Congratulations, a whole lot of information about this one incident. Those hours could have been better spent... I don't know, working on your WIP, earning a bit of cash, hell, even learning to fly might be a good one.
Everyone here can discuss this until they're blue in the face. It doesn't change anything about the situation. If the pilot loses his permit, then so be it, the decision was made. If the pilot kept his permit, again, the decision was made. I'm not debating what should have or shouldn't have been done. I'm debating that it's pointless for anyone to state that these pilots should have lost their permit.
Good day.
Samstag:
Sorry, I thought I was giving you some helpful advice. Usually the people who think facts get in the way of a good argument stick to the PnR forum.
AtomSmasher:
--- Quote from: SavannahLion on May 04, 2008, 01:16:50 pm --- I'm not debating what should have or shouldn't have been done. I'm debating that it's pointless for anyone to state that these pilots should have lost their permit.
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Welcome to the internet. Is this your first time online? :P
Pointless debates are the staple of any online community. ;D
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