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lettuce:
Ok thanks for the info, would you say the 4 and 5 series philips are the next best thing to the sonys then?
apfelanni:
the 4xxx and 5xxx philips are the 50/60 hertz models from 1995 - 200x around . u ll find the philips tubes in loewe , metz or grundig.
i d say take what u can get ur hands on . metz and loewe were premium in quality of chassis , philips and grundig more the midrange price sector . for cabinet monitor replacement i usually take grundig , coz they are the most common her in ger , cheap ( mostly 1 euro on ebay , while people ask bout 10-20 euro for a metz or a philips ) and they are the easiest to handle . u can dismantle them in a few minutes , all is idiot proof and very well documented . metz and philips made it more difficult to take the tv apart ( philips with microtorx , grundig with 6 ordinary srews , philips osd via service remote ,metz via tricky combinations on the front panel , grundig just via " 8500 " input per remote. the difference in picture quality is minor . i d say give it a shot . philips uk was the last great location for tube fabricating . nearly all bigger grundigs mf after 2k had philips/ lg tubes made in uk , because the german tube factory was closed at this point and the french was following shortly. so dont tell me u cant find any 50-60 hertz 4:3 tvs in the uk . dunno what they most sell in the uk . toshiba or orion may also be worth a try . toshibas are always my first choice in tubes . ill try to avoid samsungs and thomson . today i dumped my ok baby 29 inch samsung in the junk . it wasnt that bad , good as new , no burns , but i hated it . i could never handle the geometry to my satisfaction and the tube mask looked somehow terrible on lowres games like neogeo . the 25 inch philips will fit in tomorrow.
lettuce:
Interesting info!! Yeah over here in the UK around the time of CRT's the mainstream players where...
Sony
Toshiba
Hitachi
Philips
Panasonic
JVC
Sharp
Then u had the budget boys.....
Bush
Thomson
Ferguson
Goodmans
Daewoo
Sanyo
Just beacuse the badge was on the front of the TV never ment the chassis or tube was made by the same company!, of course back then I was none the wiser!. Loewe , Metz were non existant in the UK and Grundig were hard to find.
Now at the moment I only have 3 CRTs in testing.....
Bush RF2185NTXSIL/A
Sharp 21HT15H
Sony KV-25K5U
I have notice both the bush and sharp TVs really don't have a stable picture when running my NTSC SNES through them via Scart, the overal picture is jittering ever so very slightly but the Sony picture is rock solid!, any ideas why the bush and sharp have this unstable picture? Also both the bush and sharp have this weird contrast effect where the picture seem to jump up in brightness or darkness all of a sudden, say for example there's any explosion in a game then the contrast of the picture seems to jump up and then back down again, this never happens with the Sony!?
apfelanni:
toshiba,hitachi and panasonic may be worth a try , but most of 2k+ tvs were 100 hertz models. u can find those identical tubes in lots of candy cabs in the combination toshiba chassis + tube , nanao chassis and toshi tube or nanao chassis + hitachi or mitsubishi tube . the famous eizo computer crts used hitachi tubes as well.
i m not sure whats up with sharp and jvc . some say jvc tvs are made with crap chassis made in turkey , like the after 2005 ( beko , vestel ) grundigs . so far i experienced the rebranded cheapass china or eastern europe tvs are nothin but waste of time . 5 $ chassis + tube made in tadschikistan > epic fail .
today i mounted the philips tube into the ok baby monitor frame via some l-profiles i had laying around . a first mockup was fine , it needs only little adjustments with the bezel . tomorrow i ll fix the chassis on the new plywood chassis board ,connect the speakers to the onboard stereo audio amp etc. compared to sony or grundig the philips chassis is a little oversized , but for horizontal orientation that doesnt matter . for vertical setups the chassis in jap cabs are usually mounted 1/3 , 2/3 , so they wont interfere with the casing . good thing i have 50+? of tvs to pick from .
Paradroid:
--- Quote from: apfelanni on January 31, 2012, 05:07:51 pm ---metz and loewe were premium in quality of chassis , philips and grundig more the midrange price sector
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I can attest to that! Up until recently I had a pile of Loewes with the E3000 chassis. The different Grundigs (in Grundig, Siemens and Blaupunkt TVs) I've tried have been more compatible but, man, the E3000 is so damn sharp and stable! I hooked up my Contour 1470 with an E3000 tonight and was reminded of how good the image is. Just a crying shame I can't work out how to get 240+ vertical lines showing on it. :( The geometry is absolutely perfect (not sure what the tube model is but the Phillips in the Contur smokes the EAKs in the CT1170s I have. It's flatter and better geometry without doubt.) The other thing with the Loewes is that the picture doesn't "bulge" near as much when bright flashes appear in games. The Grundigs will dim briefly everytime Strider flashes his sword!
@apfelanni: Have you tried any Loewes with the E3000 chassis? I'd love to know if you were able to get 240 vertical lines showing properly without any missing lines at the top or bottom.