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It's Over! Blu-Ray Officially Wins!
ChadTower:
--- Quote from: AtomSmasher on February 26, 2008, 01:35:57 pm ---I never knew VHS had 5.1. I don't ever remember seeing a vcr with more then just a left and right audio connection.
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VHS didn't have 5.1. Pro Logic works on r/l stereo connections and is decoded by the receiver - and ignored by anything else.
boykster:
--- Quote from: ChadTower on February 26, 2008, 08:51:51 am ---
--- Quote from: boykster on February 26, 2008, 01:39:53 am --- Additionally, the increase of HD content on cable and satellite provides something that DVD didn't have when it was competing with VHS: a direct example of how you COULD/SHOULD be seeing your movies. When you can watch Law & Order in full HD glory, but your copy of Beowulf looks grainy, you'll want to find a way to fix that.
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I completely disagree with that. When you were watching your noisy VHS copy of Ghostbusters your direct example of DVD video quality was watching the same movie on HBO. DVD video isn't any better, for most players and most TVs during the adoption period, than standard cable or DirecTV, while at the same time being a substantial improvement over a VHS rental tape. Even progressive scan didn't really improve all that much and I don't know many people even now who know or care about it.
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HBO's programming is in no way analagous to DVD quality. MAYBE current digital cable or DirectTV feeds of the premium channels are now nearing DVD quality, but 5-10 years ago when the battle for DVD market foothold was taking place, absolutely no way.
Also, don't discount the HUGE adoption of flatpanel HD sets now that you can walk into any tier retailer in the country and buy one for a reasonable price. The demand for HD content in the broadcast world has been driving the competition between cable / satellite / and now the fibre camps, do you really expect a consumer to gladly continue to buy/rent movies in lower quality than what they can view on their regular tv feeds?
I'm not expecting a rapid adoption, heck it took nearly 10 years for DVD - a clearly superior product over VHS - to take the crown as the prevalent video format. I AM taking into consideration "diminishing returns" when I evaluate this. If DVD quality is "good enough" then according to Chad non-HD HBO is "good enough" - but that doesn't match up with the monumental increase in HD subscribership with cable and satellite providers. I dont' see DirecTV advertising that they have hundreds of channels that are "good enough" and you don't need all that fancy schmancy HD stuff
And anyone that tells you that the original ProLogic scheme is "as good as" a true discreet 5.1 or 7.1 solution has never heard a good discreet multi-channel audio setup. And DPL II and DPL IIx are TOTALLY different than the old matrix used in the original DPL....
boykster:
Oh, and for the record, I do not currently own either HD-DVD or BluRay software or hardware. I'm exploring the use of my HTPC's for playback of the content, but the software isn't mature enough to reliably support it.
ChadTower:
--- Quote from: boykster on February 26, 2008, 03:18:23 pm ---HBO's programming is in no way analagous to DVD quality. MAYBE current digital cable or DirectTV feeds of the premium channels are now nearing DVD quality, but 5-10 years ago when the battle for DVD market foothold was taking place, absolutely no way.
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Okay, if we throw out cable, we can't throw out DirecTV and Dish. I have had DirecTV a long time - the standard signal quality hasn't changed much over the years. On the premium channels 10 years ago it was pretty damn close to DVD quality video if not the same. If anything I'd say the video quality on the SD channels is worse now than it was 7-8 years ago.
--- Quote ---And anyone that tells you that the original ProLogic scheme is "as good as" a true discreet 5.1 or 7.1 solution has never heard a good discreet multi-channel audio setup. And DPL II and DPL IIx are TOTALLY different than the old matrix used in the original DPL....
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Who said "as good as"? All I did was mention it as a bridge. People keep saying "VHS to 5.1 audio is the key" as if there was nothing in between. That's just not true. There were better technologies available on VHS than two channel sound.
Samstag:
--- Quote from: AtomSmasher on February 26, 2008, 01:35:57 pm ---
--- Quote from: ChadTower on February 26, 2008, 01:31:28 pm ---
DVD isn't quite the straight stereo to full surround leap people say. Pro Logic worked on VHS pretty well for people who had the appropriate setup (also required for 5.1).
Look at it this way - Pro Logic II is still in current use. The Wii uses it.
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I never knew VHS had 5.1. I don't ever remember seeing a vcr with more then just a left and right audio connection.
*edit* just looked it up and see that Pro Logic was more like a 4.0 setup (left, right, center, and rear (both rear speakers were same channel)), but still interesting that they had some sort of surround sound on VHS.
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I was watching movies on VHS in real 5.1 in 1991 using a Pro Logic receiver to decode. The rears were seperate channels.
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