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Samstag:
--- Quote from: ChadTower on February 04, 2008, 11:53:54 am ---
--- Quote ---When the outcome is predetermined, the only pressure is worrying about screwing up the choreography.
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So dancers, singers, actors, etc have no right to be nervous about performing in front of 50,000 people? Better tell them that. They seem to disagree.
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I would argue that 95% of wrestling fans can't tell when something's been screwed up. I would also argue that while it takes some big balls to wrestle at the top level in front of millions of fans, it takes an entirely different kind of courage to face another professional fighter for real when you know that one little slip means an instant knockout or knee-bar submission. Now he's a clip in a highlight reel.
That said, I think if he sticks with it and gets a few more fights under his belt he'll come back and destroy Mir next time.
hulkster:
--- Quote from: Samstag on February 04, 2008, 12:09:04 pm ---
--- Quote from: ChadTower on February 04, 2008, 11:53:54 am ---
--- Quote ---When the outcome is predetermined, the only pressure is worrying about screwing up the choreography.
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So dancers, singers, actors, etc have no right to be nervous about performing in front of 50,000 people? Better tell them that. They seem to disagree.
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I would argue that 95% of wrestling fans can't tell when something's been screwed up. I would also argue that while it takes some big balls to wrestle at the top level in front of millions of fans, it takes an entirely different kind of courage to face another professional fighter for real when you know that one little slip means an instant knockout or knee-bar submission. Now he's a clip in a highlight reel.
That said, I think if he sticks with it and gets a few more fights under his belt he'll come back and destroy Mir next time.
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im not an avid ufc fan, but i do like the occasional bout now and then. i used to be a HUGE wrestling fan about 5-6 years ago (as shown by my user name ;D ) so when i saw that lesnar was going to fight, i was pretty excited to see it just for the pure fact that the man is a freakin beast. wrestling is fake (wwe anyway) obviously, but the stuff that he could do was just pure strength and athleticism. that doesnt translate into ufc champions by any means, but it sure does help.
anyway, i watched the fight replay on youtube and honestly, if lesnar hadnt made the rookie mistake of standing there with his legs exposed, he wouldve knocked mir out. he was wailing on him hardcore, and really only made ONE mistake and that was leaving his leg exposed. but that does show the veteran ability of mir in that all he needed was one opening to take the biggest man down. i think if lesnar had a few more matches of experience, he wouldve torn up mir in the first round.
ChadTower:
--- Quote from: hulkster on February 04, 2008, 03:14:19 pm ---he was wailing on him hardcore, and really only made ONE mistake and that was leaving his leg exposed.
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Lesnar made that mistake with his arm about 3 times before Mir realized he wasn't going to be able to crank an arm that big and changed to going for a leg. He had the armbar set up twice and Lesnar just ripped his arm out - pure power but the mistake was made over and over again until Mir finally got one.
hulkster:
--- Quote from: ChadTower on February 04, 2008, 03:28:34 pm ---
--- Quote from: hulkster on February 04, 2008, 03:14:19 pm ---he was wailing on him hardcore, and really only made ONE mistake and that was leaving his leg exposed.
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Lesnar made that mistake with his arm about 3 times before Mir realized he wasn't going to be able to crank an arm that big and changed to going for a leg. He had the armbar set up twice and Lesnar just ripped his arm out - pure power but the mistake was made over and over again until Mir finally got one.
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good call. i didnt really notice until i watched again. i think he had a gameplan going in because he kept talking about how he had practiced all the submission stuff, but i think once he got him on the ground all his practice and gameplan went out the door and he just wanted to beat the crap out of the guy. thats probably just pure instinct and aggression. i remember reading some stuff about his tryout with the vikings and some of players said he had so much energy and rage going into every tackle and play that it was kinda scary. so much tenacity. he's a scary dude when he gets going.
i know his thing in the wwe was fake, but he did such a good job of looking pissed off and coming at the other wrestlers that it was just scary. now that ive seen him in a REAL fight....its even scarier. his arms are like tree trunks. i give him 3 or 4 more real fights until he starts becoming a force.
Jouster:
I think Kongo is the next best bet to get a shot...he has looked pretty tough.
I was impressed with Lesnar...having never seen him ever in my life, he showed a lot of potential. It is just too difficult to take 1 - 2 years of training into the octagon with guys that have decades or so of BJJ training and expect not to get submitted. If he learns to use his strength better and gets more versed in submission defense he'd be really impressive.
I also noticed the boos turned to cheers after his post fight interview. I think a lot of people may have been thinking the same thing I was...when his fight was coming up and they were showing all of the actors/wrestlers in the audience...I actually said to the TV that I hope the UFC doesn't turn in to a joke like pro wrestling.
Jouster
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