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ChadTower:

--- Quote from: shardian on February 04, 2008, 10:25:23 am ---The pull off and penalty probably did more to upset his concentration. When exactly did UFC outlaw head punches anyway??
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Back of the head has been illegal for a long time.  That isn't necessarily a UFC rule - it is an athletic commission rule in most places.  I believe it is illegal in boxing too.  Lesnar hit Mir right in the back of the head - but Mir was turning away at the time.  The ref took the point with zero warnings given.  I've never seen that before except in obviously intentional situations.  It was a terrible call that should have been a verbal warning and not a stoppage at all.



--- Quote ---That has been a staple defense attack since forever. Even recently, remember Tito Ortiz turning Ken Shamrocks head in a likeness of the Toxic Avenger? It appeared to me Mir was taking advantage of that rule to break things up.

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When that happens in other fights the guy on top will usually stop punching or start throwing punches to the temple/ear with more care.  Lesnar didn't have the personal control to do that.  Of course, if you stay rolled up and don't defend yourself, the ref starts yelling "do something, get out of this" until it happens or the ref stops the fight.  That stoppage may have saved Mir but I don't think he was hurt enough to say it did.

CCM:

--- Quote from: ChadTower on February 04, 2008, 10:08:34 am ---
I was surprised at how out of control Lesnar was... that has to be inexperience.  He would get on top and instead of gaining a solid body control, which would be easy with his bulk, he'd just press Mir down and start dropping hammer fists.  Only once did he spin for a better position - and he did it with startling ease.  It really looked like adrenaline got the best of Lesnar and he didn't execute his gameplan very well.  I think that lack of control is what cost him the fight more than anything else.



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Yea, I think Lesnar's lack of experience and adrenaline definitely got the best of him.  He had no control whatsoever.   With his size and power he can be great, but he's got some serious work ahead of him.  I hope he learns from this fight that his strength alone won't win him every fight.  If he wants to be a ground and pound fighter, he needs to go watch some Couture tapes and see how it's supposed to be done.

I wonder where the UFC is going to go from here?  Does Mir get a shot a Nogueria next?  With Sylvia losing, I could see Lesnar possibly fighting him next.  And then there's Kongo, if he wins next month he may be in the mix for a title shot.

CCM:

--- Quote from: ChadTower on February 04, 2008, 10:39:07 am ---The ref took the point with zero warnings given.  I've never seen that before except in obviously intentional situations.  It was a terrible call that should have been a verbal warning and not a stoppage at all.


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I wonder if the fact that Lesnar was so out of control contributed to the immediate stoppage and point penalty? 

It definitely looked like Mir turned his head and it was a bit too quick of a stoppage, but I seriously doubt that Lesnar would have even heard a warning in the crazy state he was in. 

ChadTower:

--- Quote from: CCM on February 04, 2008, 10:51:36 am ---If he wants to be a ground and pound fighter, he needs to go watch some Couture tapes and see how it's supposed to be done.
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Why tapes?  If he wants to be a ground and pounder he should go train with Couture.   :)  How cool would it be for the hot ex girlfriend of the heavyweight division to come back with an unstoppable monster to corner?

The adrenaline problem does surprise me a little bit from a guy who has main evented Wrestlemania.  He has been in front of much larger crowds many times more than almost anyone in MMA.  I know it's not the same but the size of the spectacle alone is enough to intimidate a lot of guys.



--- Quote ---I wonder where the UFC is going to go from here?  Does Mir get a shot a Nogueria next?  With Sylvia losing, I could see Lesnar possibly fighting him next.  And then there's Kongo, if he wins next month he may be in the mix for a title shot.

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I don't think beating a guy in his second fight gets Mir a title shot.  It puts him probably on the second tier - only that high because the division is thin.  A Mir-Sylvia matchup is highly marketable.  They can show Sylvia's arm breaking every 15 seconds for months.

Lesnar needs to fight a bottom tier UFC heavyweight, I think.  He just lost convincingly.  Giving him Sylvia now just doesn't make sense from a ladder perspective. 


--- Quote ---It definitely looked like Mir turned his head and it was a bit too quick of a stoppage, but I seriously doubt that Lesnar would have even heard a warning in the crazy state he was in.
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It's possible Lesnar wouldn't have heard a warning but the ref still has to follow the rules.  It's not like Mir was semiconscious and in mortal danger.  FWIW, Lesnar did hear the ref call for a stoppage and the ref didn't have to jump in.

CCM:

--- Quote from: ChadTower on February 04, 2008, 11:03:33 am ---
Why tapes?  If he wants to be a ground and pounder he should go train with Couture.   :)  How cool would it be for the hot ex girlfriend of the heavyweight division to come back with an unstoppable monster to corner?


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That would be phenomenal for Lesnar.  Couture would turn him into a beast!


If not Mir, who's next for Nogueria?  The heavyweight division is so weak right now...  Who are the top guys?

Nogueria
Sylvia
Mir
Kongo
Vera?

Couture is gone, Cro Cop and Herring turned out to be busts, Arlovski seems to be done with the UFC, Gonzaga lost his last 2 fights.
 
If Kongo wins next month,  maybe you give him the shot?



***edited for my lack of quote-fu

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