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CCM:

--- Quote from: ChadTower on January 30, 2008, 11:43:43 am ---
Did you really put Bob Sapp into this?   ;D 

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 ;D  he may have been a reach...


 

ChadTower:
So Lesnar got caught... it was pretty much win-win for the UFC.  Lesnar does more than enough to prove he is for real.  Mir wins a really tough one decisively and jumps right back into the heavyweight title picture.  Mir is younger than Lesnar.  Now instead of one potential monster they get a potential monster that reasonably needs more work and the return of a former heavyweight champion that is still only 28.

Lesnar needs more work on submission defense and gameplan execution.  He kept leaving his limbs way out there and using power to yank them out of danger.  That may work against 99% of jiu jitsu guys on the planet but it won't work against Frank Mir.  A guy like Nogueria would finish him even faster.

It was good to see both guys classy after the fight.  The boos for Lesnar turned to cheers when he was all class and props for Mir in the post fight interview.

shardian:

--- Quote from: ChadTower on February 04, 2008, 09:11:01 am ---So Lesnar got caught... it was pretty much win-win for the UFC.  Lesnar does more than enough to prove he is for real.  Mir wins a really tough one decisively and jumps right back into the heavyweight title picture.  Mir is younger than Lesnar.  Now instead of one potential monster they get a potential monster that reasonably needs more work and the return of a former heavyweight champion that is still only 28.

Lesnar needs more work on submission defense and gameplan execution.  He kept leaving his limbs way out there and using power to yank them out of danger.  That may work against 99% of jiu jitsu guys on the planet but it won't work against Frank Mir.  A guy like Nogueria would finish him even faster.

It was good to see both guys classy after the fight.  The boos for Lesnar turned to cheers when he was all class and props for Mir in the post fight interview.

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I watched that fight this morning. At  a minute thirty, it didn't take much out of my day. ;D That fight served as a clinic as to how absolutley impressive and dominating jiu jitsu can be. The dude knew he didn't have a prayer fighting, so he just went for any submission he could sneak into. That was crazy that Lesnar just shook off that arm bar. He will be scary good once he learns to defend against submissions. And like I said before, it was the EXACT same outcome as Dan Severn's fight with Gracie 9not technically, but the situation was the same). Lesnar was dominant, but the submission expert took a beating and latched on at the first opening.

Lesnar will come back and do much better next time.

ChadTower:

I was surprised at how out of control Lesnar was... that has to be inexperience.  He would get on top and instead of gaining a solid body control, which would be easy with his bulk, he'd just press Mir down and start dropping hammer fists.  Only once did he spin for a better position - and he did it with startling ease.  It really looked like adrenaline got the best of Lesnar and he didn't execute his gameplan very well.  I think that lack of control is what cost him the fight more than anything else.

shardian:

--- Quote from: ChadTower on February 04, 2008, 10:08:34 am ---
I was surprised at how out of control Lesnar was... that has to be inexperience.  He would get on top and instead of gaining a solid body control, which would be easy with his bulk, he'd just press Mir down and start dropping hammer fists.  Only once did he spin for a better position - and he did it with startling ease.  It really looked like adrenaline got the best of Lesnar and he didn't execute his gameplan very well.  I think that lack of control is what cost him the fight more than anything else.



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The pull off and penalty probably did more to upset his concentration. When exactly did UFC outlaw head punches anyway?? That has been a staple defense attack since forever. Even recently, remember Tito Ortiz turning Ken Shamrocks head in a likeness of the Toxic Avenger? It appeared to me Mir was taking advantage of that rule to break things up.

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