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Might as well have said "swamp gas and weather ballon"
Howard_Casto:
You guys scare me with your press hate. When has propoganda ever been a good thing? Even in WWII was it good? The answer is HELL NO! First off, Hilter was an evil s.o.b. planning to invade our country, we didn't have to be "sold" that war because, unlike wars today, it was a ligitimate cause and a legitimate reason to fight. What all the propoganda DID do was usher in one of the stupidest non-conflicts in our history, namely the cold war. The cold war was completely un-necessary because communism simply isn't practical in a large scale and it defeats itself. Regan didn't win the war against communism, the communists did! What wwII propoganda did was ingrain into our culture that communism, and as a result all socialism is bad. So all of that "helping the military" paved the way for lack of universal health care, fear of any all-inclusive community works projects, billions wasted on a war that would never come, and xenophobia with allowed the "new republicans" (read anyone regan and after) to take power, ruin our economy, get well-meaning, but all to trusting men and women killed for causes that are eitehr made up or don't matter and all-in-all ruin the very democracy that we all know and love!
The press is SUPPOSED to give the goverment a hard time, it's what keeps the goverment honest. The goverment is supposed to be scared of us, not the other way around. Now while national security is certainly an issue and I can understand outrage (and rightly so) over stuff like newpapers outing cia agents, which with respect, only happens by the "republican press" when they want to damage the reputation of someone who disagrees with them, stuff like this is totally different. How hard would it be to simply release a statment saying "what you saw was classified" and then everybody would let it go. The militiary in their usual stupidity, however simply made up an excuse that NOBODY would buy, just like they did countless times in the past. What bothers me most though, is the sheer incompetance on their part. Don't test secret stuff where people can see it!
I'll even play devil's advocate on this one a bit. Let's say it was aliens or what-not. Let's say all these ufo sightings were. Well then the goverment has been working with those little buggers for years now, so could they tell them to fly their spaceships somewhere else where people can't see them?
Rest assured, the ridiculious excuse which took 2 weeks to surface isn't proof of a coverup, rather it's proof of the usual status-quo of military b.s. which involves week-long paperwork trails and "analysts" that invent these cover stories for screw-ups which systematically and constantly insult the intelligence of the press and the general public.
If it'd been a reall alien-type ufo, then it would have been all over the papers, because, quite frankly, the military cover-up machine is far too slow and incompetant to create a plausible explaination in time.
Roswell alone might be legit, because the military initially admitted it was some kind of ufo to the local paper, before the higher-ups explained to the local military that we don't tell the truth to the general public and started to cover it up.
Jdurg:
Yeah, the "cold war" wasn't really a war against communism. I liken it more to a war of "my dick's bigger than yours" between USA and the USSR. It was just a battle of who could produce more nuclear weapons and scare the other side into submission.
DaOld Man:
I dont believe in UFOs, or at least space alien UFOs.
I do believe in government cover ups.
The US and Britian (and USSR) got a lot of plans from Hitler's science team after the war. The Germans were working on rocket and jet technology, also saucer shaped air ships. (they were also developing atomic weapons.)
The US Government experimented with saucer shaped ships and had several failures.
Thats what a lot of people saw and thought were UFOs.
The stealth bomber came from this technology, and it was tested at night in Area 51 for years before it was made public.
I think the average Joe has no idea of what the government is doing.
And I think the Government controls most of the media, so they only tell you what they feel you should know.
The cold war gave the governments a reason to hide it all. I just dont know what the reasons are now.
Also I wonder how the Germans got so far ahead of us on the science technology? Could it have been space aliens? >:D
NiN^_^NiN:
Just some interesting information the japanese goverment finally said that there are UFO's and released some documents a while ago.
Now i dont know if there is alien life or not but if a goverment actually released all these documents for like 50 years and said yes there is then it might not be so far out.
Its still not proof but its abit more crediable than some guy saying he was anally probe raped :P
mr.Curmudgeon:
--- Quote from: ChadTower on January 24, 2008, 09:19:27 am ---The media is just too damn big now. Too many stations, too many websites, too many "reporters" who want to be stars. The hordes are completely unmanageable, unethical, and flat out of control. It's only going to keep getting worse, too.
--- End quote ---
Actually, I'd say it's exactly the opposite. Media conglomeration and broader corporate ownership is the problem. There's nothing "out of control" about our media...there aren't roving bands of rogue reporters trying to break-through the iron curtain of government secrecy. We've got individuals like Rupert Murdoch buying up everything in site.
And these "unmanageable, unethical" reporters you're so worried about? They're doing exactly what they're told to do by the corporations that own them.
Thank GOD for the truly unruly blogosphere...they might be "unprofessional" and "impolite", but I'll be damned if any news that's been worthwhile lately hasn't been the direct result of very determined "citizen journalists" and ex-industry people doing the job our lap-dog "reporters" are supposed to be doing.
Six. It's six companies.
http://www.mediachannel.org/ownership/chart.shtml
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