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| cdbrown:
G'day all, Now bear with me as I have a few questions which have come about through new ideas and previously answered questions. I realise I need buttons for everything so don't need to point it out. 1. Are there any games that use the trackball with another control type (spinner joystick)? 2. Any games which use a spinner with other control type? 3. Are there many games that use two trackballs? I am hoping to use genius kidsball because they are very cheap compared with other arcade balls (Happ, Imperial) especially considering I can get the kidsball locally (Perth, Western Australia ::)). 4. They plug into the serial port so am I able to get two working at the same time (sorry if this is a silly question but I don't know) 5. I am getting the optipac for the 2 rotary optical joys - has anyone been able to connect the kidsball to the optipac? 6. Does the optipac get around the problem of windows only being able to have one pointing device? Sorry about the amount of questions but they are bugging me :-/. Any responses would be really great. Cheers -cdbrown 8) |
| u_rebelscum:
--- Quote ---G'day all, Now bear with me as I have a few questions which have come about through new ideas and previously answered questions. I realise I need buttons for everything so don't need to point it out. 1. Are there any games that use the trackball with another control type (spinner joystick)? --- End quote --- I don't think so. --- Quote ---2. Any games which use a spinner with other control type? --- End quote --- If you mean spinner + 8way/4way, there is a bunch. Discs of Tron and Forgotten Worlds are the most obvious two. Some more have spinner steering wheel + pedals. --- Quote ---3. Are there many games that use two trackballs? I am hoping to use genius kidsball because they are very cheap compared with other arcade balls (Happ, Imperial) especially considering I can get the kidsball locally (Perth, Western Australia ::)). --- End quote --- Marble Maddness, Cabal, Rampart (3), Atari Football (4). Dang, there's others but cannot remember them off the top of my head. --- Quote ---4. They plug into the serial port so am I able to get two working at the same time (sorry if this is a silly question but I don't know) --- End quote --- Yes. (but see answer #6) --- Quote ---5. I am getting the optipac for the 2 rotary optical joys - has anyone been able to connect the kidsball to the optipac? --- End quote --- Probably, it's just like other mice AFAIK. --- Quote ---6. Does the optipac get around the problem of windows only being able to have one pointing device? --- End quote --- No. A new USB model is being worked on, I hear, that might get around it, but the current model can't since it uses the serial port. :( Dos mame with the correct drivers and other system setting and the current optipac does work with two pointing devices. |
| jerryjanis:
Games that use a Joystick and a Trackball: ------------------------------------------------- Wacko Snake Pit SDI - Stategic Defense Initiative (Joystick, Trackball, Buttons 2 players simultaneous) Games that use a spinner and a joystick: ---------------------------------------------- Tron Discs of Tron (Up/Down Spinner) Zwackery (Up/Down Spinner) Crater Raider (There are more) |
| cdbrown:
--- Quote ---Games that use a Joystick and a Trackball: ------------------------------------------------- Wacko Snake Pit SDI - Stategic Defense Initiative (Joystick, Trackball, Buttons 2 players simultaneous) --- End quote --- Nothing is easy :'( when it comes to planning a panel. --- Quote ---Games that use a spinner and a joystick: ---------------------------------------------- Tron Discs of Tron (Up/Down Spinner) Zwackery (Up/Down Spinner) Crater Raider (There are more) --- End quote --- I'll definitely have a joystick with the spinner. It looks like I'll have to miss out on those trackball/joystick games :(. --- Quote ---No. A new USB model is being worked on, I hear, that might get around it, but the current model can't since it uses the serial port. Dos mame with the correct drivers and other system setting and the current optipac does work with two pointing devices. --- End quote --- So does this mean if I use mamew, the two rotary opticals that are plugged into the optipac won't function for the second player? If I were able to have the 2 spinners, 2 trackballs and 2 rotarys on on panel the optipac only has 4 inputs and will only use 2 at a time (I think) - so I would be better off not having all together ??? Any recommendations on how I should tackle this. I realise it's extremely difficult (and expensive) to get panels to cover everything but I would like to come close. Are there any games that require the rotary optical joystick and 4/8 way joystick, or spinner, or trackball? If not I could put the rotarys on the 4 player panel and have the 2 spinners, 2 trackballs and 2 4/8 way joysticks on the second panel. I know I keep asking this type of question but I would like to sort out the requirements on the panels before I go ahead and lay it out. Thanks to u_rebelscum and jerryjanis for your responses. Any more help would be fantastic. Cheers -cdbrown |
| u_rebelscum:
--- Quote ---So does this mean if I use mamew, the two rotary opticals that are plugged into the optipac won't function for the second player? --- End quote --- This is true for standard mame(w). The windows OS combines all mouse inputs into one "system mouse", and mame can only see that one mouse. You can get around this with Mame:Analog+ two different ways. 1. If the mouse-type devices (rotary/spinner/ or trackball) are USB, the OS win98 or winME, and directX 8.0 or higher installed, Analog+ can see the USB devices as individual devices, and you can set each player to any of these devices (or the "system mouse" too). However, since the optipac is a serial device, it will only be part of the "system mouse", so it won't work. :( or 2. If one rotary is on the X-axis, the other on the Y-axis, Analog+ can map one to player one and the other to player two. I think optipac has a setting where you can do this. Also, EMU+ used to have a similar feature (see http://www.oscarcontrols.com/support_spinner.htm#X-Y%20Split%20Axis for more details), but EMU+ is not be developed any more. --- Quote ---If I were able to have the 2 spinners, 2 trackballs and 2 rotarys on on panel the optipac only has 4 inputs and will only use 2 at a time (I think) - so I would be better off not having all together ??? Any recommendations on how I should tackle this. I realise it's extremely difficult (and expensive) to get panels to cover everything but I would like to come close. Are there any games that require the rotary optical joystick and 4/8 way joystick, or spinner, or trackball? If not I could put the rotarys on the 4 player panel and have the 2 spinners, 2 trackballs and 2 4/8 way joysticks on the second panel. --- End quote --- I don't think any game use a rotary joystick & a spinner, or a rotary & a trackball. So your suggestion sounds okay, as long as you can find a good place for everything. ;) Note, however, the limit to one trackball with standard windows mame. Dos mame can have two trackballs if you set up the drivers and system correctly, but I don't know about 2 trackballs + 2 spinners at the same time. Mame:Analog+ is programmed to see 8 USB mouse-type input devices plus the "system mouse", can use any four at a time, and you can assign which player uses which device game-to-game. (However, I have only been able to test 3 mice at a time, so far) --- Quote ---I know I keep asking this type of question but I would like to sort out the requirements on the panels before I go ahead and lay it out. Thanks to u_rebelscum and jerryjanis for your responses. Any more help would be fantastic. Cheers -cdbrown --- End quote --- You're welcome. I'm trying to design my multiple trackball cp right now (I'm thinking three trackballs ATM), and just got a hold of two ls-30 joysticks, so I am very interested in what other people say, too. |
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