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ahofle:

--- Quote from: saint on May 14, 2008, 11:05:12 am ---And then they should read this:

http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2008/05/12/vaccines-do-not-cause-autism/

particularly the Japanese study, and then the study from Denmark:


--- Quote ---Now the first big epidemiological studies weigh in. One comes from Denmark, which eliminated thimerosal from childhood vaccines in 1992. A team led by Kreesten Madsen of the Danish Epidemiology Science Centre in Aarhus reasoned that if thimerosal were a major cause of autism, incidence of new cases should drop once it was removed. In the September issue of the journal Pediatrics, they report that, instead of declining, the incidence continued to skyrocket after 1992.

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I'm not sure how it's possible to 'prove' that the mercury in thimerosal doesn't have a link to autism with a study on autism rates.  There could be hundreds of other factors involved in those numbers.  We specifically requested thimerosal free shots for our kids.  They also have a flu-mist now that is mercury free.  Everyone says there is no connection to autism, but even if there is not I don't think avoiding the unnecessary injection of a toxic substance into my children is a bad idea.

saint:

--- Quote from: ahofle on May 14, 2008, 11:09:50 am ---
--- Quote from: saint on May 14, 2008, 11:05:12 am ---And then they should read this:

http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2008/05/12/vaccines-do-not-cause-autism/

particularly the Japanese study, and then the study from Denmark:


--- Quote ---Now the first big epidemiological studies weigh in. One comes from Denmark, which eliminated thimerosal from childhood vaccines in 1992. A team led by Kreesten Madsen of the Danish Epidemiology Science Centre in Aarhus reasoned that if thimerosal were a major cause of autism, incidence of new cases should drop once it was removed. In the September issue of the journal Pediatrics, they report that, instead of declining, the incidence continued to skyrocket after 1992.

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I'm not sure how it's possible to 'prove' that the mercury in thimerosal doesn't have a link to autism with a study on autism rates.  There could be hundreds of other factors involved in those numbers.  We specifically requested thimerosal free shots for our kids.  They also have a flu-mist now that is mercury free.  Everyone says there is no connection to autism, but even if there is not I don't think avoiding the unnecessary injection of a toxic substance into my children is a bad idea.


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Neither do I - I think removing mercury/thimerosal is a good idea. I think avoiding vaccinations entirely out of fear of autism is a bad idea. I think the overall health of the country/world is better with vaccinations than without.

CheffoJeffo:
FWIW, I have read the major studies and pretty much every one of them is flawed in some respect, regardless of which conclusion was reached. This is one reason why the controversy won't die -- people can't agree on any individual set of findings.

I fully believe that thimerisol causes bad things with some kids (and it ain't that good for adults either).

Absolutely -- it's hard to argue otherwise.

I used to be a believer in the "no linkage" theories right up until I sat down with a  prominent biochemist who has been studying the effects of mercury (in vaccines and dental work) ... now I am less certain.

And there is still thimerisol in some vaccines that are given to children today.

OTOH, I am not nearly convinced that vaccines had anything to do with autism in my children (I have 2 kids with autism) -- in theory (because I didn't know enough when they were 18MO to check the packaging), they were not been exposed to thimerisol in their childhood vaccinations.

OTOOH, my kids do exhibit very high levels of toxicity wrt heavy metals (as do many kids with autism). My wife had a Rhogam shot during the first pregnancy. My wife has old amalgam fillings in her teeth. Maybe there is something there ...

OTOOOH, if thimerisol in childhood vaccines was a primary cause, the overall numbers should be falling ... and they aren't.

And I TOTALLY agree with ahofle vis-a-vis shots for kids.  :applaud:

CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: saint on May 14, 2008, 11:29:28 am ---Neither do I - I think removing mercury/thimerosal is a good idea. I think avoiding vaccinations entirely out of fear of autism is a bad idea. I think the overall health of the country/world is better with vaccinations than without.

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I would agree with this as well -- my kids are, and will continue to be, fully vaccinated.

For those who are concerned, there are steps you can take -- read the packaging for the vaccines (!) and choose to avoid the "cocktails" (there are some who believe that stress from multiple vaccinations is a potential cause) -- space them out, even though it may be more expensive in terms of money and time.

CheffoJeffo:
Since this thread has already been bumped, there have been some developments in my younger son that may be relevant or of interest.

We had intended to put both kids on a strict GFCF (gluten-free, casein-free) diet at the start of the year, in addition to a regimen of dietary supplements, injections and whatnot. We ended up removing the casein (e.g. dairy) and going with the supplements and injections. We have not, as yet, removed gluten (e.g. wheat).

In that time, my son has come so very far in terms of his progress -- to the point where I am certain he would not be diagnosed with Autism today. Now, he isn't where he needs to be (he would likely be diagnosed with some other neurological disorder, although nobody seem to know what that might be), but he is conversational and interacts very well compared to where he was 6 months ago. It is almost night and day and none of the professionals who work with him can believe how far he has come.

At the same time, he has been undergoing IBI (Intensive Behavioural Intervention) every day for the last 10 months, which has no doubt contributed to his improvement.

And, since I saw it this morning and it may be of interest to folks in this thread, I'll add a link to an article describing the effects of Autism on the family:

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_22671.aspx

OK, I'm done ... back to mourning the SubRoc cab that I couldn't take ...



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