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Happ Competition Joystick sloppy - RESOLVED w/ shims
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MaximRecoil:

--- Quote from: Zebidee on December 02, 2007, 03:41:55 am ---Does anybody else out there actually have Happ Competition Joysticks and understand this problem? 

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I think the reason you got the responses you did is because it is not a problem for most people. All joysticks of that style that I've seen bounce in the center a bit if you push them over all the way and then let go. Someone would have to have an unusual style of using a joystick for this to ever happen during gameplay (except if your hand were to slip off the joystick accidentally).

Do you just tap the joystick in the direction you want rather than keeping your hand on it at all times?
TOK:
I have Competitions on one of my machines and never noticed the issue you're having. I do know they return to center with a bit of a twang if you let them go, but never played a game where just letting the stick go was a useful strategy.

How did your mod affect the regular feel of the stick? I rather like the light throw of the Comps, but that is probably what contributes to the issue you were having. Is the throw now stiffer?
Zebidee:
Maxrecoil, it seems that you notice the same joystick behaviour but it doesn't bother you 
Maybe I'm just too fussy :dunno   I grew up using rubber-plug/grommet centred joysticks, and they simply didn't allow for "bounce".  If I watch a Happ Competition joysticks from underneath, I watch the activator bounce back and forth (and up and down a bit too) and trigger the opposite switch.

I really notice the problem playing a game like Ghosts n Goblins.  But it affects other games as well. 

In G&G you have to tap-tap-tap the joystick in one direction while tapping the fire button to get your shots to bunch together.  If I do that (essential) tactic in G&G, I often get turned around because the joystick has bounced back the other way.  The result of this, usually, is that you get killed.  You can't avoid this by "Holding onto the joystick" because the response would be too slow.

It might not be a problem in Streetfighter-style games or shmups, but it is for heaps of others.

ANYWAY, the effect of my "shimming" is that the joysticks don't bounce about as much, and I don't have that problem in G&G now.  It is a much better compromise - the joysticks feel a bit stiffer now, which is a good thing, but not stiff and clunky like a Magstick (I have used these too).  So they are more in-between , which is a good thing.

With shims, the 8-way Happs feel much better on 4-way games too.  I'm actually really happy with them now.

I want to experiment with a thin rubber shim under the metal one (the metal one would be in contact with the spring).  I think that this would improve the feel and action a little bit more again.  But I'll have to visit the specialist rubber store tomorrow to get those ;)
kowal:
purchase Japanese joystick seimitsu LS32/LS40/LS56 or sanwa JLF/JLW
they use pivot bearings.
TOK:

--- Quote from: kowal on December 02, 2007, 10:23:03 am ---purchase Japanese joystick seimitsu LS32/LS40/LS56 or sanwa JLF/JLW
they use pivot bearings.

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Thats an excellent suggestion. I have a red balltop Sanwa in my bartop cab, and it combines the light throw and lacks the return "twang" of the Happ.
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