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Zakk:

--- Quote from: leapinlew on November 16, 2007, 08:26:05 pm ---http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=65687.0

Previous results on "broken"

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Oh yeah I forgot all about that one.  We were ALLLL wrong, and he was right.  Silly me to forget.

MaximRecoil:

--- Quote from: Zakk on November 16, 2007, 07:24:31 pm ---
Dude, You are so bull headed, that even I cannot continue to be amused by you.  Your main argument is "I'm right".  Nintendy joysticks only need repair, Wico joysticks break.
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No, that's not my argument. That's your inaccurate summary of my argument. In other words, a "straw man." Wico joysticks have a restrictor that can be rounded out eventually, in which case, the joystick would be considered "worn out". The restrictor is not a separate part that can be replaced. I would consider a Nintendo joystick to be "worn out" if it had a rounded out restrictor too, but that never happens. Nintendo used a heavier steel than Wico did for the restrictor. They also made it a separate component that can be solely replaced.


--- Quote ---Of course, your whole basis is the fact that the metal base can't be broken.
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This is another straw man.


--- Quote ---So everything that can wear out on a Wico stick can wear out on a Nintendi stick too, but it's different somehow.
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The main difference in durability is the restrictor. See above.


--- Quote ---The spring wears out in a nindtedno stick, and the grommet wears in a Wico.  The shafts wear too, only they wear more on the Wico because people actually want to play those.
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The shaft on a Nintendo joystick will never wear to a significant enough of a degree to affect performance. It is a solid steel rod. The same goes for a Wico joystick.


--- Quote ---So it has nothing to do with the fact that even perfectly fine nontindeo sticks feel "broken" to people that have them, or the cheesy cheap-as-free microswitches feel like crap, that damn base won't break unless you take a hammer to it.
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I think you'll find that anyone who thinks a Nintendo stick feels "broken" is probably missing the restrictor, or using the wrong restrictor for the game they are playing. Trying to play e.g., Donkey Kong with a Nintendo joystick that has an 8 way restrictor, or even worse, no restrictor at all, will give the impression of a broken stick, because Mario will be stopping and getting stuck on ladders a lot.  


--- Quote ---If you're going to count ALL of the parts on a nimrhendo stick as relaceable (besides the honda base!),
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I don't. Only the spring and microswitches. Apparently you haven't read the thread.


--- Quote ---then why not just concede that you can replace the whole damn stick just as easily.  While you're at it, throw the thing away and put on a Wico so the game plays nicely, instead of all clicky-clacky bad.  hmmm?
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The same reason that many people wouldn't put a 350 Chevy into a Road Runner.


--- Quote from: HooPZ on November 16, 2007, 08:13:40 pm ---
No, but nice assumption.  I am someone who believes in proper grammar especially when someone else attempts to prove their superiority.
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You apparantly missed the point. I know you *think* that it is always incorrect to end a sentence with a preposition, but this is not the case. And the specifics of this "rule" are debated even among grammar experts. One thing that most of them agree upon however, is that it is irrelevant except in professional writing.


--- Quote from: SavannahLion on November 16, 2007, 07:56:42 pm ---
This is why people laugh at you.
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Why don't you tell me what it means when an idiot laughs?


--- Quote ---You falsely regard yourself as either better or smarter than everyone else.
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There are plenty of people smarter than me. However, you won't find them among the "broken Nintendo joystick" crowd. There is a reason for that. Someone smarter than me wouldn't position himself on the wrong side of an argument in the first place.


--- Quote ---This is the internet. You can't claim yourself as better, you need to prove it.
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Well, regarding intelligence, see above. An objective analysis of this thread, by someone smart enough to do so accurately, would show that the average member of the "broken Nintendo joystick" crowd, has some difficulties.


--- Quote ---So far, all you've done is proclaim yourself as a genius and everyone else as a moron. You have absolutely no humility, you can't even pretend to have humility. You just plow through posts, swallow the crap thrown out as bait, and try to make yourself look like a genius by retorting in some asinine manner.
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I don't consider someone to be a moron until they have established that they are a moron with their own text.


--- Quote ---Hell, a seven year old has a better understanding of the social situation you painted yourself in.
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You are confusing a lack of concern for a lack of understanding.   


--- Quote ---It's now gotten to the point that you're so full of garbage that your mere presence just stinks things up.
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It looks like you lose sleep over this sort of thing. Try not to go completely off the deep end and start destroying your property like Cheffo. It'll be alright. It is just text on a screen.


--- Quote ---The funniest part in all this? You're just going to come back with yet another one of your lame retorts and still be absolutely clueless.

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Feel free to point out where you (or anyone else) have established that I was wrong about anything.


--- Quote from: markrvp on November 16, 2007, 07:49:16 pm ---
I've observed that people generally feel they are smarter than others.  It is most amusing to see stupid people that are this way.

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In all honesty Mark, you are the slowest person on this thread. Even Zakk is a genius compared to you.


--- Quote from: leapinlew on November 16, 2007, 08:35:31 pm ---heh. I think Maxim is alright. It's just that Nintendo Joysticks are his kryptonite and he flips out when he hears anything about nintendo joysticks being less than perfect.
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My favorite joystick is a Happ Competition. This argument is not about, nor has it ever been about, whether or not Nintendo joysticks are perfect. The argument is about their durability, and what constitutes "broken". The same people that play fast and loose with the word "broken" are the ones that argue the durability aspect.

markrvp:
It's long ass posts like that on a Friday night that still lead me to believe Maxim is some spaz who lives in his mom's basement.  Most of us have had better things to do tonight than suffer from "diarrhea of the keyboard" like good old Maxim here.

brandon:

--- Quote from: MaximRecoil on November 16, 2007, 10:08:28 pm ---BLAH

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brandon:

--- Quote from: MaximRecoil on November 16, 2007, 10:08:28 pm --- The same people that play fast and loose with the word "broken" are the ones that argue the durability aspect.

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Nintendo joystick's play fast and loose...

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