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Charles4400:
This might be a dumb question but when you buy a case aby itself, does it come with the screws needed to mount the MB or do you have to get that separately?

Also Taz is the case really important in the OC pursuits? I don't care what they look like since it will be put in the cab, but BECAUSE it is being put in the cab is there a preferred one to use in consideration of the air flow etc...?
drventure:
Usually, no, you don't get mounting screws with the mobo, you often get them with a new case, though.

Of course, once you've been doing this a while, you end up with boxes and boxes of those screws, standoffs, nuts and whatnot :)
taz-nz:

--- Quote from: Charles4400 on February 14, 2009, 07:06:11 pm ---This might be a dumb question but when you buy a case aby itself, does it come with the screws needed to mount the MB or do you have to get that separately?

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As drventure said, the screws and motherboard risers you need to fit your motherboard are almost always include with the case. Case manufactures generally give you more risers than you need to mount you motherboard, but they also have an annoying habit of include risers with two different internal threads, some risers accept the finer thread CD-Rom type screws, while most accept the standard HDD and Case screw thread.


--- Quote from: Charles4400 on February 14, 2009, 07:06:11 pm ---Also Taz is the case really important in the OC pursuits? I don't care what they look like since it will be put in the cab, but BECAUSE it is being put in the cab is there a preferred one to use in consideration of the air flow etc...?

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Short answer yes, keeping your system cool is key to stable overclocking, a computer case has a relatively small internal volume for the amount of heat pumped into it from you CPU and other harware.
A good case design allows for plenty of air flow through the case, allowing the hot air inside to be rapidly exchanged with cooler air from outside the case, thus keeping the internal tempature as close to that of the air in the room around it as possible.
The easiest way to do this is with good front to back airflow, cases with open mesh fronts and large rear exhaust fans work best, too many fans pointed in random direction will actual hurt airflow, they tend to just swirl the hot air around inside the case.

That said if your going to put the system in a cabinet and don't intended to use it for anything else, I'd forget the case and just mount the motherboard directly to the inside of the cabinet, the case is just there to protect the computer hardware from physical damage and to sheild it from EMI, and to shield other devices from any EMI the PC might give off.
Having no case means more air volume around the computer hardware, which in term means the air will be cooler, but I do suggest that you make sure you cabinet is well vented at the top so heat can escape, and has vents near the bottom to allow it to draw in cool air.
Charles4400:
Great thanks alot guys appreciate the help!

The project will be coming up soon, just thinking of waiting untill the e8700 becomes available for the price drop of the e8600 or even getting the e8700 to OC that chip!

btw saw this on ebay and was wondering how this guy got a e8500 to 4.24! I'm not getting this auction but do you think its stable and will have a 'long' life?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Overclocked-Core-2-duo-4-24GHz-Gaming-PC-w-HD-4870-1GB_W0QQitemZ280310121412QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDesktop_PCs?hash=item280310121412&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

Once again appreciate the help and advice!
Bigtymer781:
I run my E8500 at 4250 MHz  (8.5 x 500) with 1.38 vcore, I hear they are safe up to 1.45 vcore for everyday use.  At this speed I've tested orthos, prime95, and memtest for over 2 hours each. I can even run at 4500 MHz but it starts to run hot in orthos. I'm using a Zalman 8700 NT heatsink, which is probably holding me back a little.

That auction on ebay, if you dont care about a fancy case or a bleeding edge video card, or a 1TB hard drive, you could probably put that same system together for like $700.

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