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saint:

--- Quote from: ChadTower on October 25, 2007, 09:36:07 am ---
Some small practice general practition MDs make more off the drug company reps than off of their practice.  If you have a doctor that gives out a handful of samples of a drug right along with the prescription, that's your doctor.  I've seen the trending info on this at work too and it's a real problem for patients.

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Meh, I cry bullhockey. The restrictions on drug reps has gotten stricter over the past few years, not lighter. Maybe you'll find a doctor on the take, but I don't believe it's a rampant issue. Other than bribes, how would doctors make money off of drug reps?

AtomSmasher:
This reminds me of a commercial I saw a few months ago for a drug (I don't remember which) and one of the side effects they listed was a compulsion to gamble.  I thought that was odd.

ChadTower:

--- Quote from: saint on October 25, 2007, 10:40:20 am ---Meh, I cry bullhockey. The restrictions on drug reps has gotten stricter over the past few years, not lighter. Maybe you'll find a doctor on the take, but I don't believe it's a rampant issue. Other than bribes, how would doctors make money off of drug reps?

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Trips, "conventions"... lots of ways... ever see the spread a drug rep will bring to a doctor's office for lunch?  Once a week indefinitely for everyone employed there?  My wife used to get catered lunch 3x/week and she was just answering phones.  Over time the "little" things add up pretty heavily.  Combine that with very little oversight and even less enforcement of those restrictions and they may as well not exist.  They make so much money off of these practices that penalties are viewed like speeding tickets - you know you may get a ticket, but it's not that bad, and you constantly speed anyway.



--- Quote from: JackTucky ---Since when has that stopped you from answering.
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So you're going to tool on me for when I do say that?  Good job.   :dunno  Nice value add to the thread. 

saint:

--- Quote from: ChadTower on October 25, 2007, 10:59:23 am ---
--- Quote from: saint on October 25, 2007, 10:40:20 am ---Meh, I cry bullhockey. The restrictions on drug reps has gotten stricter over the past few years, not lighter. Maybe you'll find a doctor on the take, but I don't believe it's a rampant issue. Other than bribes, how would doctors make money off of drug reps?

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Trips, "conventions"... lots of ways... ever see the spread a drug rep will bring to a doctor's office for lunch?  Once a week indefinitely for everyone employed there?  My wife used to get catered lunch 3x/week and she was just answering phones.  Over time the "little" things add up pretty heavily.  Combine that with very little oversight and even less enforcement of those restrictions and they may as well not exist.  They make so much money off of these practices that penalties are viewed like speeding tickets - you know you may get a ticket, but it's not that bad, and you constantly speed anyway.

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Yes actually, I have. They don't do that anymore. I have a doctor relative and what drug reps have been doing has changed dramatically in the last several years. I was at a business lunch the other day and a drug rep was at our table and I asked why, and he said the regulation they were under has dramatically increased. The fines aren't small either for violations - they're big and people lose jobs. He said he's not even allowed to bring someone a birthday cake with the person's name on it.

Either way, all those perks don't add up to but a small percentage of what a doctor makes in a year. Lunches, dinners, trips -- even if it's full on, you're talking 5 to 20 thousand a year? Heck, go whole hog and call it 40 thousand a year (never happen). Doctors make over 100 thousand a year in the general practices, and much much more as you get specialized.

ChadTower:

Maybe the ethical reps are following the law, I can buy that.  I can't deny what I see every time I go into my own doctor's office, though.  Of course, that guy is clearly a pharmacist with his own pad.  Not all that great a rep as a diagnostic physician.  I go in and tell him what I need done and he writes it up.  There are definitely still doctors and reps who haven't changed.  We're going to see more and more news on this as the performance enhancer rings get busted up in the next couple of years.  We're seeing a good amount of it now.

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