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tommy:
Chad when you get mad at someone do you go after them and try to kill them? If you do try to kill someone why is that? If you don't try to kill someone what makes you stop?

I bet the thought of going to jail for the rest of your life makes you stop, it's the consequences that stops you and it's the same with a dog. The dog does not want to have to deal with it's leader having to punish him.

 It's a simple matter of leadership here, does your second child try to kill your first child when you hand that kid a cookie or do both children know (from you) that everything is going to be OK and they are safe where they are.

CheffoJeffo:
Well, it's official ... hell is freezing over ... I'm going to agree with tommy and chad in the same thread ...  :'(

My last dog was a seriously (!) alpha Siberian Husky ... it took me a LONG time to establish dominance over him and even then he would continually test the boundaries. It was an inate part of his nature and the breed. No fewer than 3 professional trainers (and more than a few breeders) said that it was just the way he was -- he was born to lead a pack and nothing could be done except for me to establish myself as the true leader. They told me that I would always have to be careful of him with dogs and children (and, obviously, I was ... he was an animal).

Every single time that I had trouble on walks was due to another owner not being able to control their dog, particularly the bigger dogs being walked by a 90-pound waif.

ChadTower:

--- Quote from: tommy on October 23, 2007, 05:01:35 pm ---Chad when you get mad at someone do you go after them and try to kill them? If you do try to kill someone why is that? If you don't try to kill someone what makes you stop?

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When you try and compare the rational capabilities of a person to that of a dog it makes you look really bad.  I mean really, really bad.

Punishment will only deter a dog in most circumstances.  There will always be times when the dog doesn't think of it - pecking order challenges and female territorial boundaries, mostly, but sometimes over food as well.  Especially if the owner isn't present to actually administer that punishment. 

tommy:

A dog getting a punishment by it's pack leader is taken far more serious than you telling your kid to go to sleep and he/she tells you to piss off. This is the whole dogs lively hood and he takes it serious and learns from that, easier than a human would.

CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: ChadTower on October 23, 2007, 05:06:21 pm ---When you try and compare the rational capabilities of a person to that of a dog it makes you look really bad.  I mean really, really bad.

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Chad, why don't you try and see things from tommy's point of view for a change ?  :angry:

Maybe his rational capabilities are comparable to his dog's ?  ;)

 >:D

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