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I'm amazed at how many people have the wrong idea...
tommy:
--- Quote from: shmokes on October 23, 2007, 04:34:08 pm ---Uh oh . . . :'( I tried to warn you away from these extreme positions Tommy, and now look what you've done. ;D
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Hey you said you agree with me on the general fact of this so lets hear some of your fancy lawyer talk. ;D
Get through to them before i sick my pit bull on them. :laugh2:
CheffoJeffo:
--- Quote from: tommy on October 23, 2007, 03:13:39 pm ---I like how some of you like to use the fear of the unknown here and how the dog can just "snap" By saying that it allows all of you to not have to come up with any real reason or facts on these dogs and just take the easy ridiculous way out and just damn the whole breed without having to form any real idea as to why the dog really did what he did.
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And I like how people choose to make ridiculous and unsubstantiated statements like "it's the owner, not the dog" ... that shows a profound lack of understanding of animals in general and dogs in particular.
That is not to say that it is the breed and not the owner, but it is clear that there are behaviours and temperments that are specific to breeds (and I have had family members who owned Pit Bulls, including at least one who actually fought in the pits and was rescued by a cousin of mine ... and he was an absolute angel, except for the burglar that he caught ... having said that, there is no way I would ever want that animal around my kids).
--- Quote from: tommy on October 23, 2007, 03:13:39 pm ---Now, i don't know about other dogs
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And that is EXACTLY why you are completely unqualified to make any assertions regarding dogs or behaviour. You seem to think that your specific experience to date is tantamount to proof that the breed is sound and safe. I know of at least five owners of pit bulls (knowledge related to breed rescue) that said exactly what you have said ... until their dog attacked (2 attacked people and 3 attacked another dog).
My personal belief is that Pit Bulls are not suitable a suitable breed for the family pet and should be subject to strict regulation.
--- Quote from: tommy on October 23, 2007, 03:13:39 pm ---My dog is a normal everyday dog that you wouldn't think twice about, period, and i take offense at people who want to throw my dog in with the rest.
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I have had and raised dogs all of my life and EVERY dog is one that you should think twice (or even three times) about ... to do otherwise is irresponsible and demonstrates a lack of understanding or appreciation for dogs in general.
--- Quote from: tommy on October 23, 2007, 03:13:39 pm ---BTW, this glass business is mine so there is no company i represent..
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Certainly not for much longer based on your stellar customer relation skills.
;D
shardian:
--- Quote from: tommy on October 23, 2007, 04:25:36 pm ---You keep talking about dogs that are not trained. All the people in these cases where a dog bites someone the owner is a casual dog owner and knows nothing about dogs and just have them for fun.
When you train a dog properly there is no Territorial issues or dogs snapping at each other, everything is in harmony when things are done right. These dogs you keep mentioning have serious mental problems, it sounds funny but it's true and it can happen when they don't know who is in control of their life from the owner. I agree the dogs are big and hard to control when they go after a person but it's the owners fault when this happens.
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Yes, we should all assume that every single dog owner in the whole country is an avid dog owner who devotes their life to the most sophisticated and thorough training they have at their disposal. Here is an example of the dog training that most people give their dogs.
"Spot, here is your food bowl"
"Spot, here is your crate"
"Spot, here is where you ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---"
Done, and done.
shmokes:
--- Quote from: tommy on October 23, 2007, 04:36:57 pm ---
Hey you said you agree with me on the general fact of this so lets hear some of your fancy lawyer talk. ;D
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Hey . . . all that already exists in the last pit bull thread. You're the one who chose to start a brand new one. Just go back to the last one and plagiarize the stuff I said in there.
shmokes:
--- Quote from: shmokes on October 23, 2007, 04:00:29 pm ---
Stop pretending that pit bulls are no more dangerous than other kinds of dogs and start pointing out that sports cars are more dangerous than sedans, yet we don't ban sports cars. Swords are more dangerous than knives (all things being equal) but we don't ban swords. Football is more dangerous than Tennis, but we don't ban football. Beer (especially 3.2 beer) is less dangerous than liquor but we don't ban liquor. The mere fact that less dangerous alternatives exist does not automatically justify a ban of the more dangerous item. There are other factors that need to be looked at. How dangerous is it objectively? Is it really a major problem in terms of the number of attacks, or is it just a well reported problem, i.e., are a relatively small number of attacks every year getting blown out of proportion and painting a picture that is far far worse than reality? Even if it turns out that the numbers show that there is a serious problem, is it something that could be dealt with through sensible regulation as opposed to an outright ban that would hurt hundreds or thousands of responsible pit bull owners?
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Anyway, did you not see this like five posts up?
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