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shardian:

--- Quote from: MikeQ on October 23, 2007, 03:27:41 pm ---Just look at the statistics on dog bites and you'll see Pit Bulls have a much higher than normal incident rate:

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks%201982%20to%202006%20Clifton.pdf

There are also many states that have an outright ban on owning Pit Bulls. 

I live in Florida and Florida is planning similiar leigislation banning Pit Bulls and has already done so in areas of Miami.


--- End quote ---

Holy hell. Pure Bred Pitt Bulls make up 50% of the attacks on that list...and that is not including trained fighter dogs. Next, Tommy will be saying your statistic is unfairly biased against Pitt Bulls. ;)

shmokes:
Tommy, pit bulls are more dangerous.  Arguing otherwise it's just flatly retarded and makes people dismiss EVERYTHING you have to say.  Argue your case with intelligence, man!  You can't change the facts.  Statistics show beyond any doubt that pit bulls are more dangerous than almost any other breed of dog.  Arguing that by sheer coincidence all those pit bulls just happened to have a ---smurfy--- upbringing is absurd.  You will never, ever convince people that pit bulls are not more dangerous when you have objective facts that prove otherwise. 

Pointing to your well behaved dogs doesn't change anything.  That's what is known as anecdotal evidence.  If the argument people were making is that all pit bulls are deadly dangerous all the time and want nothing but to eat babies every second of the day, then yeah, you could point to your pit bulls and say, "Nope . . . mine have eaten very few babies, and only on special occasions."  But that's not the argument you have to deal with, so that won't work.  The argument you have to deal with is that pit bulls attack and kill people much more often than other breeds of dogs.  It is an incontrovertible fact.  They just do.  If you want to be successful you need to deal with that fact sensibly, not insist that it doesn't exist, because the people you are arguing with happen to know that it does, in fact, exist.

Stop pretending that pit bulls are no more dangerous than other kinds of dogs and start pointing out that sports cars are more dangerous than sedans, yet we don't ban sports cars.  Swords are more dangerous than knives (all things being equal) but we don't ban swords.  Football is more dangerous than Tennis, but we don't ban football.  Beer (especially 3.2 beer) is less dangerous than liquor but we don't ban liquor.  The mere fact that less dangerous alternatives exist does not automatically justify a ban of the more dangerous item.  There are other factors that need to be looked at.  How dangerous is it objectively?  Is it really a major problem in terms of the number of attacks, or is it just a well reported problem, i.e., are a relatively small number of attacks every year getting blown out of proportion and painting a picture that is far far worse than reality?  Even if it turns out that the numbers show that there is a serious problem, is it something that could be dealt with through sensible regulation as opposed to an outright ban that would hurt hundreds or thousands of responsible pit bull owners?

It's not like your side has no good arguments, but you're ignoring them completely in favor of a extreme position that is simply insupportable.  It makes you sound like Xiaou2.  Even if you have good things to say, your audience is blinded by your lunacy and extremism and refusal to accept the reality of the situation. 

Ed_McCarron:
The more I think about it, those #'s have to be bogus.

That percentage is way skewed.

Its a ---smurfette--- to find unbiased dog bite info.

ChadTower:

Most animal bites go unreported anyway.  You'd never know how many small bites happen, and compared to a pit bull, almost all bites are small.  The info probably comes from ER and Police reports... no one is going to report a chihuaha bite.

shardian:
Tommy,
In this subject, no amount of championing on your part based on your single ownership of a Pitt Bull is going to convince anyone to change their stance against these dogs.

As I have said before, my neighbor has a female Pit Bull, and what I am fairly certain now is a male Bull Mastiff/Pit Bull mix - both of which are not tied down and are allowed to just hang out in the neighborhood with their front yard as home base. The pisser is the guy has a huge back yard with a full privacy fence he could keep them in! The male is big as hell, all muscle, mean looking, and very territorial due to the female. He has approached me in an intimidating manner twice now while I push my 8 month old daughter in a stroller. I will be the first to admit the female is cute and friendly, but I wouldn't trust her anywhere near my little girl either. The addition of the male is more than I can bear. We don't have a leash law, and I have talked to our homeowners president - and several other homeowners have apparently done the same after being approached by the growling male. The president is friends with the guy, and will be speaking with him tonight.

It is ---smurfing--- ridiculous that I have to carry a weapon with me while walking to the mailbox (we have grouped boxes)just in case one of those damn dogs decides I "crossed the line". I WILL kill that ---smurfing--- dog if it so much as comes within striking distance while growling at me.

So, Tommy, just because you have the worlds greatest Pitt Bull, does not mean they are a Happy go lucky breed. You are complaining that everyone else is making a blanket statement comdemning the breed, and you're damn right about that in most cases. The thing is, you are also making a blanket statement. How long do you plan on running in a circle like a ---Bad words, bad words, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when saint censors you?--- over this subject? Like I said before, the female pit is a beautiful dog and is great with the guys kids. She is a ball of energy and doesn't appear to have the slightest amount of aggression in her. Doesn't matter one bit either- there is the possibility that at some point something will arouse her aggression and she will act on it and I don't plan on her being anywhere near me or my family when and if it happens - plain and simple.

And just so we are clear, if you ever disappear and quit posting, it is a safe assumption that the majority of the forum will assume one of two things:
1. Your dog snapped and bit your face off
2. You were arrested for attempting to steal Eli Manning's jock strap...while he still had it on.

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