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I'm amazed at how many people have the wrong idea...
mr.Curmudgeon:
Actually, Tommy has demonstrated that he is a typical Pit owner. Violent and irrational. You have to be that way to justify owning such a violent and unpredictable breed.
Out of all the various types of dogs you can buy, there's only ONE reason anyone would ever willingly choose to buy a pure-bred pit-bull....they've got something to prove, and they want to pretend to be a bad-ass.
Those that would evangelize about Pits in spite of all the negative press and statistic showing a propensity for violence are probably the least sensible of the already irrational bunch. I'm willing to bet that the fact that Tommy's pit hasn't bitten anyone yet isn't a testament to his advanced training techniques, but rather just a matter of pure luck. It's only a matter of time.
tommy:
I'm a fine dog owner and a fine person, thank you. ;D
Just imagine how irritated YOU would be if people kept coming to a thread and kept saying the world is flat and insisted on it, that's how i feel about some on you on this topic.
HaRuMaN:
--- Quote from: tommy on November 11, 2007, 10:55:51 am ---
--- Quote from: HarumaN on November 11, 2007, 10:51:18 am ---If a pit was acting aggressive towards me or my family, I'd kill it, plain and simple.
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No ---Cleveland steamer---? Just like I'd kill you if you did the same to my family. Don't be a fool, that comment you made was really lame.
Read this whole thing, and even better then reading it, understand it.
http://www.pitbulllovers.com/pitbullblog/?p=59
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---fudgesicle--- you tommy, you're lame...
patrickl:
--- Quote from: ChadTower on November 11, 2007, 11:07:05 am ---
That's not a trivial semantic at all... unless you don't see the difference between a couple of stitches and a gruesome death.
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I made exactly that distinction in my post.
There are breeds of dogs that are much more prone to attack, but they don't wound people when they attack. Calling an attack without injury a "bite" is what I call semantics. Most of them don't even bite at all, but just bark at you.
The stats I quoted counted only "attacks with bodily harm" as opposed to all attacks. They don't call the one type "attacks" and the other "bites".
The point is that pits are mostly not aggressive at all, but that the damage they inflict when they attack is horrendous. Their owners will claim all is well because their dog from hell seems docile. Yet they don't want to face the fact that it only takes one bad moment for the dog to attack and severely hurt someone.
--- Quote from: Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada ---In more than two-thirds of the cases included in the study, the life-threatening or fatal attack was apparently the first known dangerous behavior by the animal in question
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With other dogs you can kill a dog after it bites and prevent serious harm. With a pit, after the first bite it's too late. So that's over 424 maimed people in the US & Canada where the owner always claimed that his dog was a "wovely little cutie patootie".
patrickl:
--- Quote from: tommy on November 11, 2007, 10:55:51 am ---Read this whole thing, and even better then reading it, understand it.
http://www.pitbulllovers.com/pitbullblog/?p=59
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Lol, that's all you have to offer as proof that these dogs are safe? A poorly written opinion piece? Sad.
--- Quote ---Minature Poodle bites a kids finger is not going to draw the readers as “Pit Bull Mauls Toddlers Hand.”
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You're damned right it won't. A dog bite is not nearly as bad as losing a limb now is it?
--- Quote ---Miami-Dade County Florida has had a Pit Bull ban for well over 10 years now. Flip on Miami Animal Cops on Animal Planet one night and guess what you will see. Yes, Pit Bulls.
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So the solution is to not ban at all? What kind of backwards argument is that? People break the speed limit a lot, so just abandon the speed limit? People murder people often, so why not just allow people killing each other?
--- Quote ---If you worry that your kids are going to be bitten by a dog. Try watching them. You never know that might actually help stop a few bites.
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WTF? That has to be just the bloody limit.
--- Quote ---I will leave you with this. The problem is not a dog problem. It’s a people problem that involves dogs. Until we address the people end of this problem we will never get anywhere.
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Again that lame cop out and again, no mention of how to solve " the people end of the problem"? What other option than getting rid of these crappy dogs is there?
--- Quote ---We will continue to isolate people and restrict people to the point where we have no freedom left at all.
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It makes much more sense to let the millions of sane people live in freedom while the asocial minority will just have to settle for not living with an ass ugly dog.
He is right in that the CDC figures are useless. It does indeed report bites and does not differentiate between severity of the bites. In reality the CDC figures are abused by pit lovers rather than by sane people. They claim the little dogs are much more dangerous because they bit a lot more often than pits do.
The figures I quoted report actually injured/maimed/dead people resulting from dog bites. So that's not people with some spit on their pants, but people missing a limb or even their live.