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I'm amazed at how many people have the wrong idea...
shmokes:
--- Quote from: tommy on November 01, 2007, 01:00:06 am ---Let this thread die already, people. I can't stand looking at it anymore. :angry:
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We've already seen what happens when we let pit bull threads die. All we're doing here is avoiding a third pit bull thread.
CheffoJeffo:
--- Quote from: shmokes on November 01, 2007, 10:43:53 am ---We've already seen what happens when we let pit bull threads die. All we're doing here is avoiding a third fourth pit bull thread.
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shardian:
--- Quote from: shardian on November 01, 2007, 10:15:23 am ---I've been reading on this guys website the last day or two:
http://www.leerburg.com/
He is a police dog trainer and has a very "in your face" way of answering questions.
His basic philosophy on dogs is this:
They are animals- not humans. Their social characteristics are caused by their genes, and by their nature as dogs. A "bad genes dog" cannot be fixed, no matter how much training is attempted. You can basically tell if a dog will grow to be aggressive by the way it acts as a puppy. Dogs do not grow out of their genes. And lastly: any and every dog attack is the fault of the owner.
I've emailed the guy on my pitt bull situation to see what he recommends.
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here is the email I sent him:
--- Quote ---Hello,
I have been reading your site about dog behavior, but have a slightly different question being that I am not the owner of the dogs in question. My neighbor has a female Pitt about 8 months old, and a male Bull Mastiff of unknown age. He leaves them completely unchecked and unleashed, and they are taking over the neighborhood. Our county does not have a leash law, so I am basically helpless to get rid of them by legal means. The problem is that they are developing territorial aggression and my wife is fearful of taking our young daughter for walks, and it is almost to the point of her not even going out of the house. I have dealt with a previous aggressive dog of mixed breed in the neighborhood and was eventually able to gain his trust (he eventually bit a woman and was removed). Due to the breed of these dogs though, I am not sure how to approach them in a way that I can safely assert dominance over them. The last thing I want is to round on them and get mauled. I have
noticed that they tend to get brave if I ignore them and keep walking with my back to them. This definitely has me worried after reading your articles. I am considering buying a shock baton for my wife to carry during walks. I could care less if my neighbor sees me pop his dog with high voltage, but once again I have no clue how these dogs, being a pit bull variety, will react to the stimuli - maybe they will "attack first" the next time around. I would appreciate any advice you could give me.
Thank you,
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And here is the response I got. I am guessing he is recommending I NOT try to work with the dogs. ;)
--- Quote ---Lobby your local government on leash laws. When the dogs are loose send the Mayor - Chief of Police, District Attorney certified letters telling them you fear for your families lives. Tell them if something happens you will not only sue them but you will get the TV and newpaper media into this.
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And Tommy, there is a dog breed he feels is worse than your beloved pitts - wolf hybrids. ;)
shardian:
I emailed the guy back to try to get a little more info from him. I would like to point out that this is an EXPERT in dog training and and behavior. He has seen it and done it all, and this boils down to his opinion of pit bulls.
My reply:
--- Quote ---Thank you for the response. I have complained multiple times to our Sub-divison president, and casually talked to the owner. I just get the usual canned response from owners of Pit's "they are harmless - look at how they play with MY kid." They are oblivious to the way the dogs act towards other people. I am currently waiting on the next meeting of the county commission to adress my concerns. In the mean time, do you have any advice on how I could advise neighbors (and myself and family) about how to approach/deal with these breed of dogs? With any other dog I would present myself, wait for a
response, and possibly let the dog smell me.
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His response:
--- Quote ---You approach them when they are loose with a shot gun and a lawyer. Have your lawyer write these people a letter warning them. If you find out where they have their home loan or better yet their insurance you send them a certified letter warning them. They will lose their home owners
insurance if they don't control their dogs. Then they sell and move.
Kind Regards,
Ed Frawley
President Leerburg Ent Inc.
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That is the opinion of Pit Bulls from an expert. Take from it what you will. I am anxiously awaiting animal control to show up in my neighborhood today to pick them up. I got a call not a little while ago from my wife that those bastard dogs came after her on OUR property. Luckily, she thought quickly and picked up the hose and sprayed the hell out of them.
CCM:
I love animals, but if a neighbors pit bull came in my yard and acted aggressively towards my wife, my neighbor would have a dead dog.
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