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I'm amazed at how many people have the wrong idea...
CheffoJeffo:
--- Quote from: tommy on October 28, 2007, 05:02:42 am ---I'm sure many people here would read what you have to say and consider you more credible than i come across at times.
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This one just twists me ...
FrizzleFried:
I am not going to bother wasting my time trying to convince anyone of anything...but to say a specific breed of dog is "bad" is like saying a specific race of human is "bad". Complete and utter ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- based on fears planted by (in this case) the media.
saint:
We don't as a rule breed people for certain characteristics. We do dogs. Any human, with proper training, could perform various physical tasks such as weight-lifting, martial arts, whatever. As a species we are all by and large similarly capable. Dogs are a result of selective breeding however. They've been bred for tasks for generations and generations. Huskies pull dog sleds. Chihuahuas and poodles would do poorly in that task. Some dogs were bred for physical attributes, some mental attributes (guarding, shepherding, tracking).
Is there anyone who disagrees with that? That specific dog breeds were bred for specific attributes?
(If you disagree with that quit reading now because I'm afraid we won't have anything to discuss. Good luck with your version of reality)
Based on the belief that attributes are bred into a breed, why is it hard to believe that a breed was bred to be aggressive fighters?
American Pit Bull Registry - http://www.pitbullregistry.com/Pit%20Bull%20History.htm
PitBull411.com - http://www.pitbull411.com/history.html
So I'm sure that any particular member of a breed could be carefully trained for certain behaviors or to stifle behaviors, but as a breed they were designed to be aggressive attackers, and hence people's concerns about them being near the public and children seems valid to me. Not sure why this is a debatable item.
shmokes:
--- Quote from: tommy on October 28, 2007, 05:02:42 am ---
I challenge shmokes to . . .
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There's two problems with that challenge. One, I already argued as much in your previous pit bull thread, going to far as laying out in detail a pragmatic solution that would mitigate the pit bull problems without banning the dogs altogether. As I've already said, you can feel free to plagiarize from that thread all you want. But that's the best you're gonna get, really, cos I mostly just don't give a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. I don't even like dogs. I think they're dumb and needy. I prefer cats. And even if I was going to get a dog, I've got a 1-year old little girl -- I sure as hell ain't getting a pit bull.
My knee-jerk reaction to a ban on pit bulls is to think that we've got irresponsible legislators who are legislating for the sake of legislating, solving problems with a sledge hammer that could have been taken care of with a screwdriver. I don't like to see restrictions on peoples' behavior that go beyond what is absolutely necessary. But I have neither the time, nor inclination (to quote a favorite movie) to make a go at some kind of eloquent essay on the virtues of pit bulls. I don't think they're virtuous. Plenty of dogs are smarter, prettier, and a helluva lot less volatile. I think that the majority of people who buy pit bulls are ---uvulas---. I don't mean that they are ---uvulas--- for buying the pit bull, but rather, pit bulls seem to appeal to people who are already ---uvulas---. Why is that? Why do redneck pieces of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- love to own pit bulls? Who knows. Interpret it however you like.
My support for your side has nothing to do with liking pit bulls, but rather liking responsible policy and legislation.
Ed_McCarron:
--- Quote ---Huskies pull dog sleds. Chihuahuas and poodles would do poorly in that task.
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But you gotta admit they'd look pretty effing funny trying...
Heres the solution to the pit problem:
The dog gets 1 free pass. Thats not 1 free pass to bite someone - thats one free pass (off leash/out of yard).
Strike 2 - dog gets put down. No appeal.
A few folks will still get bitten, but the majority of owners will be a lot more vigilant.
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