Official NY Giants Rock SuperBowl Bound thread

[koolmoecraig]

I'm serious though. Any takers on the $20 bet? Tommy?

[btp2k2]

The Giants defense is too much for the boys to handle with romo and how he likes to throw interceptions. This time we will not let Witten run free and beat us like the last time.

31-21 Giants

Wow....considering who the G-Men's QB is, you might not want to bring up throwing interceptions.....

BTW....the Giants looked AWESOME against the Vikes.

[tommy]

I'm serious though. Any takers on the $20 bet? Tommy?

[koolmoecraig]

Man, skin of your teeth.

Way to support your team. Silent about the bet until the game is over.

[tommy]

Man, skin of your teeth.

Way to support your team. Silent about the bet until the game is over.

I just didn't want you knowing where i live when i would have won the bet. 

[tommy]

Giants are in, woo hoo!!

Now should we beat the pats and ruin the perfect season?

[btp2k2]

I cannot wait for the Giants to roll into Qwest Field for the first round and get absolutely KILLED.

artificial sound ---my bottom---

[ChadTower]

I cannot wait for the Giants to roll into Qwest Field for the first round and get absolutely KILLED.

artificial sound ---my bottom---

The Giants are going to Tampa.  Seattle is getting either Washington or Minnesotra, IIRC.

[boykster]

yeah, seattle gets either washington, minnesota or NO EDIT: looks like they get the Redskins. When they win  they go to Green Bay to face the Packers......

[tommy]

Good luck Giants tonight. 

[boykster]

Gotta give them credit, they played the Pats tough...but still lost

[tommy]

The Giants played great but too bad they couldn't come out with it. The Giants playing all their starters and getting Manning and Burress on track was much better than any resting they could have done, now they are ready for the playoffs.

[shardian]

The Giants played great but too bad they couldn't come out with it. The Giants playing all their starters and getting Manning and Burress on track was much better than any resting they could have done, now they are ready for the playoffs.

I'm very suspicious one of the Giants defenders was bought off or 'persuaded'.

Patriots throw a deep ball, and the Giants guy falls down for no reason.

VERY NEXT PLAY is the SAME play and this time the same guy starts jogging to a stop more than 10 yards away from the end zone.  Could have easily made that tackle.  With the way the Patriots had been playing at that time, they probably would have been held to a field goal.

And what was with that clock management?  Burned off 3 minutes to purposely have to rely on an onside kick?

Hey this is the Giants we are talking about. THey don't need bribes to blow games.

[tommy]

I'm tired of hearing all these 72 Dolphins negative comments about the Pats. They keep showing clips of old Dolphins saying, "it means nothing what they did so far" or "they still are not better than we were".

Give it a rest already old time Dolphins, act like men not a bunch of mean pissed players who can't stand to see their old records go down. And while we are at it lets stop even showing those old ---smurfs--- on TV and quoting them.

The Pats have a longer season than the Fins had and number of games that they won, I think they are better already without winning a Super bowl.

[shardian]

To be fair, NY's defensive line played awesome. Eli played well...for almost three quarters.

I can  just imagine Belicheks half-time speech: "hang in there guys, Eli will hand us the game sooner or later.

[ChadTower]

You could definitely tell with like 4 minutes left that Eli had already packed it in.  He ran that last drive like it didn't matter after he threw his usual Eli fourth quarter INT.  They played really well up until that point... I'm not liking that for next week.

[tommy]

Our other TE Boss really picked up the slack of Shockey not being there, I'm impressed.

[ChadTower]

That's probably more of an indictment of how overrated Shockey is than how good Boss is...

[tommy]

They played really well up until that point... I'm not liking that for next week.

One week of rest will not mean anything.

I think having a good showing against a good team will mean a whole lot more.

Whoever said this in another thread must have been some kind of NFL Expert or something. 

You wouldn't be worried about the Giants had they rested.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Good luck Giants tonight. 

NY Giants suck!   

[ChadTower]

Whoever said this in another thread must have been some kind of NFL Expert or something. 

You wouldn't be worried about the Giants had they rested.

I'm sure those starters the Giants lost won't hurt at all. 

The Giants lost center Shaun O'Hara, backup safety Craig Dahl and linebacker Kawika Mitchell, all with knee injuries, and cornerback Sam Madison with an abdominal strain.

O'Hara is a huge loss if he's out next week.  So is Madison.  Did you happen to notice who that guy was flopping on the turf trying to keep up with Moss?  That is Madison's spot, yes?

Joey Galloway is faster than Randy Moss.

The Giants played well, but they lost, and it cost them in injuries.  That is exactly what I said they couldn't afford.

[tommy]

It's not a good thing that they lost those guys, but without Manning and Plex playing well it does not matter who else is in there, we would have just lost anyway in the next round due to lack of confidence.

I still think we are better off for putting up a good fight and all the players now feel like they can do something more in the playoffs because of it.

[ChadTower]

Scary story - Pats just coming back, middle of the fourth quarter... my living room Tivo crashes and comes back with a CANNOT BOOT KERNEL error.

Thank ---smurfing--- god I have a second Tivo and was smart enough to tell that one to record it too.

[Jdurg]

I'm tired of hearing all these 72 Dolphins negative comments about the Pats. They keep showing clips of old Dolphins saying, "it means nothing what they did so far" or "they still are not better than we were".

Give it a rest already old time Dolphins, act like men not a bunch of mean pissed players who can't stand to see their old records go down. And while we are at it lets stop even showing those old ---smurfs--- on TV and quoting them.

The Pats have a longer season than the Fins had and number of games that they won, I think they are better already without winning a Super bowl.

Because it's true.  In order for a team to truly be undefeated, they have to win it all.  The 16-0 record is meaningless if they lose a game when it counts.  How can a team be 'better' if they don't win the important games?  If they go undefeated in the regular season and then lose in the playoffs, all it says is that the Patriots were good enough to win if the game didn't mean anything, but if the game was important they simply weren't good.

The '72 Dolphins team not only won every game when it didn't really matter, but they won every game when it did matter.  They proved that nobody could defeat them that year and that no circumstance was too much to overcome.  Until the 2007 Patriots do the same thing and win every game they play this year, they can't be compared.

Has what they've done been impressive?  Oh hell yeah!  It's been amazing.  But to compare them to the '72 Dolphins at this point in time is laughable.  The '72 Dolphins were Superbowl champions.  The 2007 Patriots have yet to do that.

[ChadTower]

The '72 Dolphins had the easiest schedule of any super bowl winner.  Ever.  By a good margin, too.

[tommy]

The Fins only won 14 season games, the Pats won 16, if nothing else the regular season record should be beat already.

A perfect "Season" is games during the season to me, not the playoffs. After that you could add on to the numbers but the season is still perfect past the Fins.

[Jdurg]

And the Patriots are playing against a diluted field of talent.

Are you telling me that a team that doesn't have the ability to win in the clutch and win when it counts is better than a team that can actually win when everything is on the line?  So far, the Pats have NOT proven that they can win the big game this year.  NONE of their games have meant ANYTHING to them since their division is one of the weakest divisions in the history of the NFL.  From the first kickoff of the season it was apparent that they were going to win the division. 

I'm just stating that the 16-0 season is a good accomplishment, but it's completely meaningless if they can't win the Superbowl.  The season includes the playoffs, so thus far they have a perfect "Regular" season, but they don't have a perfect season quite yet.

And saying anything about the number of games they won is a joke.  What matters is the winning percentage.  The '72 Dolphins had no way to win 16 games since their season was only 14 games long.  In addition, the '72 Dolphins didn't have the trainers or rehab facilities, or equipment that the modern players have which makes the wear and tear of the season less severe.  (Hence why the modern schedule is 16 games long).

Also, you can't compare directly the two teams since the Pats had their perfect regular season against a diluted field of talent with more teams in the NFL.  The talent, you can argue, was much more concentrated for the '72 Dolphins since there were less teams out there.

Seriously, the Pats had a great regular season but so far they can't even hold a candle to the '72 Dolphins who are Superbowl Champions.

[markrvp]

While I agree that the overall talent level is diluted in the league, I still believe that today's players are bigger, stronger, and faster than those in 72.  I don't think the older teams could compete with today's players.

[tommy]

There were hardly any real athletes playing back then. Not like today where almost every player trains and plays their position really well.

Back then there were just a bunch of guys like you and me playing football.

[ChadTower]

Back then there were just a bunch of guys like you and me playing football.

 

I tell you what... you go up to Ray Nitschke or Dick Butkus and express that opinion.  Even at their current age they'll destroy you, your dog, and your extended family.

Seriously.  Being dead won't stop Nitschke from making you into tommy soup.

[tommy]

Back then there were just a bunch of guys like you and me playing football.

 

I tell you what... you go up to Ray Nitschke or Dick Butkus and express that opinion.  Even at their current age they'll destroy you, your dog, and your extended family.

Seriously.  Being dead won't stop Nitschke from making you into tommy soup.

You're in no position to say what I'm capable of.

[ChadTower]

You're in no position to say what I'm capable of.

Any man who claims he could stand toe to toe with Dick Butkus, even the old Butkus, is very very very likely a liar.

[tommy]

You take a guy like Shawn Merriman and try to match him up to Butkus at their primes there is no comparison. Shawn will run circles around him and will bowl him over.

[ChadTower]

You take a guy like Shawn Merriman and try to match him up to Butkus at their primes there is no comparison. Shawn will run circles around him and will bowl him over.

X  What you said is:

Back then there were just a bunch of guys like you and me playing football.

Neither you nor me nor anyone on this board could have played in the NFL back then either.

[tommy]

I could have played back then. I run about 6'0, 230LBS.

Edit. I also have a heart of steel.

[ChadTower]

It's not about how big you are.  Many NFL players are smaller than average men even now.  It's about how fast you are at a given size.  Always was, always will be.  Unless you run a 4.8 40 you weren't playing even then... and you wouldn't be good enough to sell peanuts now.  Those are the 4.8 40 guys these days.

[Jdurg]

I'm in great physical shape (after going to a gym for the past 10 months and forcing myself from being a lazy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- into being an active individual), and I'm nowhere CLOSE to what even a 1920's NFL player was.  I'm just happy to be in shape.  I was in HORRIFIC shape before I started going to the gym.  At work, we have a gym and I spend an hour there every day.  It's killed me not being able to go into the gym this past week while on vacation.

When I started going there back in early February of 2007, I could do four push-ups before my arms gave out and I had to stop.  In September, I did 26 before my arms couldn't do any more.  (No time limit.  Just how many you could do before giving up).  Also, I started with a weight of 175 pounds a % body fat of 32.7%!!!!     In September, my weight was only down to 165 pounds, but my % body fat was down to 22.4%!  I dropped a LOT of fat and put on a LOT of muscle.  My arms now look damned good, and I can go without wearing a shirt and not feel embarassed.  In fact, I shocked the living hell out of some friends of mine when we did a push-up contest to see who could do the most in a five-minute time-span.  I won easily and everybody figured I'd be the first one out.  I took my shirt off and everybody was stunned that I was muscular. 

Just a bit of working out and trying to keep my muscles in shape has done wonders.  Still, any NFL player regardless of the year could beat the living crap out of me physical wise.

[hypernova]

I loved the quote I heard one fin said.  He claimed that their team was on the "inside pole" because they were the first to do it.

16-0
14-0

Hmm...which is better?

So far, the Pats have NOT proven that they can win the big game this year.

They have in the last few years.  Not the same, I agree, but it generally refutes your statement.

their division is one of the weakest divisions in the history of the NFL.

Division, maybe.  Conference?  No.  In fact, they played the toughest NFC division.
Notable games:
SD 14 @ NE 38
CLE 17 @ NE 34
NE 48 @ DAL 27
WAS 7 @ NE 52
NE 24 @ IND 20
PHI 28 @ NE 31
NE 27 @ BAL 24
PIT 13 @ NE 34
NE 38 @ NYG 35

6 of those are playoff teams.  (almost 7 due to Cleveland's tiebreaker circumstance.)  4 of those 6 are division champs.

From the first kickoff of the season it was apparent that they were going to win the division

You could apply that to San Diego without question, and some other teams as well, but they would be a bit more disputed.

Seriously, the Pats had a great regular season but so far they can't even hold a candle to the '72 Dolphins who are Superbowl Champions.

Umm...I'm pretty sure they can hold a candle.  That's what they're doing right now.  They've got the flamethrower for lighting it too.

I do hope they win the Super Bowl.  That will put an end* to the discussion.  Being such a dominant team, I think they deserve it.  If they don't do it now, someone will do it in the future, at some point in time.

*You'll still have Miami fans and former Miami players saying they're equal, but the 19-0 vs 17-0 will be an undeniable fact.

[hypernova]

Just found this, to articulate on Drew's comment earlier about Miami's schedule.

The way New England went about perfection was far more impressive than the 1972 Dolphins perfect season.  First and foremost, their predecessor’s opponents pieced together a 70-108-4 combined record, and they faced only two teams with a winning record.  On the other hand, the Patriots opponents went 94-89, and they faced six teams that finished with a winning record.

edit:  how did this guy come up with an odd number for the Pat's opponents' record?

[CheffoJeffo]

Even at their current age they'll destroy you, your dog, and your extended family.

I guess that Tommy has been right all this time ... pitbulls aren't the deadly menace that the media makes them out to be ... Dick Butkus is!