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ChadTower:

Technically Jim can post that thing all he wants, just not here... because the owner said no.

SavannahLion:
This conversation is really disappointing. It's enlightening to see some of the commentary here in regards to the handicapped. For instance:


--- Quote from: Ed_McCarron on October 03, 2007, 03:47:49 pm ---Man, if thats the case, and I'm target, I'd put instructions on the site (where their software can find it to read) that state if you are blind, get a sighted person to help you.

There.  I've accommodated the blind.  I've offered a perfectly reasonable way for them to navigate my site.
--- End quote ---

That is downright insulting. What this essentially shows is a lack of understanding of what it's like to not only be blind, but to be one of the millions of "helpers" who assist the handicap every day of their lives.

Try this on a weekend, say Friday night, put on a blindfold and don't take them off until Monday. With this blindfold on, try and convince one of your friends to stick with you the entire time, "helping," you go about your daily life. If you don't see a problem with that, then try it again for a week.

patrickl:

--- Quote from: shmokes on October 03, 2007, 04:38:36 pm ---One last thing for whoever said that Target's website seemed pretty accessible . . . This suit began in January, 2006.  My guess is that at some point in the last year and a half Target decided to go ahead and make their site ADA compliant.

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I guess you mean me. I checked the last version of 2005 and indeed it doesn't have a single useful alt tag on the frontpage, but further down in the site it does have some. Even though the old version of the site is slightly less usable on my text browser, it's still doable.

For instance it gives something like this (after dozens of lines of menu items and selecting menu items "Men"  and "Briefcases"):

--- Quote ---products


   Sort by: [Featured Items____] Go

   View all page 1 of 2 1 2 Right arrow

   Overland Travelware Computer Briefcase - Black

   Overland Travelware Computer Briefcase - Black
   $29.99

   Usually ships within 3 to 5 days.
   Add To Bag

   EmbarkŪ Wheeled Briefcase - Black

   EmbarkŪ Wheeled Briefcase - Black
   $39.99

   Usually ships within 1 to 2 days.
   Add To Bag


--- End quote ---

I actually had more trouble finding the briefcases on the site in IE.

It's a difficult site to navigate for seeing people too. Maybe they have even more right to sue target, but I guess they don't have any grounds to do so.

I wonder what the criteria are that this site has to conform to. If a seeing person is assumed to be able to navigate this site then I don't see why a blind person couldn't do so.

Seriously, is there anything really stopping them from using the site? Can't they register or something?

KenToad:
Bravo, Shmokes, very well-stated and informative.   :applaud:

CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: Dartful Dodger on October 03, 2007, 12:57:03 pm ---If the blind people sueing Target just said they were going to boycott Target, they wouldn't get any press.  Other blind people and friends and family of blind people wouldn't know about it. 

Win or lose they have made this an issue worth posting on Arcadecontrols.com.

There is a blind guy in my car club, because of him I programmed our website to be seeing impaired friendly.

Target has more money and staff than my car club, in two weeks they'll have a blind friendly site.  They may even give a huge donation to some blind cause.

I'll be the first to throw a stone at bogus lawsuits, this isn't one of them.

--- End quote ---

:applaud:

Wait a minute, did I just applaud DD ?

Wow ... guess he made a good point!

My personal belief is that the ADA is a good thing (I wish we had something similar here) and my understanding from back when I was doing more web work was that the prevailing opinion was that the ADA applied to e-commerce services offered over the web, particularly given the work done by w3.

If this suit can settle that issue, then it is probably a good thing and definitely isn't frivilous. If you think it is frivilous, would your opinion change if, say, your children were affected by the issue ?

I'm with the blind folks on this one (and I am not blind and have no living blind relatives).

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