Author Topic: 2007 BYOAC Tokens, NICKEL ARRIVED-- P I C S ! !* (Read 48279 times)

Santoro · « **on:** October 01, 2007, 06:17:18 pm »

Update10/2/07
Preordering is open - take a look:

ArcadeReplay.com 2007 Preorder Page

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Congratulations to MrCurmudgeon for winning both sides of the Token design contest for the '07 tokens.

So here's what happens next. I need to put up some sort of preorder page. On it I will ask a question something like "If we don't order the metal you want would you take the other metal?" Your choices will be a)yes or b)no, refund my money. Because I spend a lot of money up front on the tokens, I charge the full price up front for pre-orders. There is too much at risk for me to accept less. I realize this isn't ideal, but it's how I do it.

Once orders have been open for a few weeks I make a decision if there are enough orders to proceed with either 1) 10,000 Brass or 2) 10,000 brass and 10,000 nickel, or 3) None of the above. If I am able to at least break even on the original order, I will place the order.

If we only have enough demand to order 10,000 brass, the people who indicated they would not accept brass instead of nickel will get paypal refunds.

If don't have enough demand for even 10,000 brass, I will contact the people who preordered to see if they are interested in higher 5000 lot pricing. If there are enough 'yes'es, we will do that. Else - no tokens and everyone gets a refund.

It will take a few days to get the pre-orders up on my website, I need to modify my store code to allow it to ask the questions. I'll post here when it's ready.

Any questions in the meantime?

Dave

KevSteele · « **Reply #1 on:** October 01, 2007, 06:27:41 pm »

Count me in as a pre-order (I believe I was first in line last year

) -- one question: are we doing slogans this year, or is this the final design?

I'm in either way, just curious...

Santoro · « **Reply #2 on:** October 01, 2007, 06:29:21 pm »

Everyone seemd content with the slogans as they were... I was thinking of leaving it.

patrickl · « **Reply #3 on:** October 01, 2007, 06:33:59 pm »

Count me in too. Hope you will also do mixed orders?

KDOG · « **Reply #4 on:** October 01, 2007, 06:37:46 pm »

I am in.

pointdablame · « **Reply #5 on:** October 01, 2007, 07:36:44 pm »

Will you be doing mixed lots for pre-orders like last year?

JONTHEBOMB · « **Reply #6 on:** October 01, 2007, 07:43:42 pm »

I would like to vote on a slogan to replace the "How Retro Can You Go?". If we don't decide to mess with slogans this year I am still in for coins. Mr. C's design is just too good to pass up.

KevSteele · « **Reply #7 on:** October 01, 2007, 07:46:05 pm »

I've got to admit that "How Retro Can You Go" just doesn't work for me, although everything else about the tokens is great.

Of course, I'm partial "To Preserve and Destroy," but that's just the ego-maniac in me speaking (I guess I should take my meds, huh?)

pointdablame · « **Reply #8 on:** October 01, 2007, 07:56:54 pm »

FWIW, i'm not a huge fan of "how retro can you go" either.

Santoro · « **Reply #9 on:** October 01, 2007, 08:19:02 pm »

If I propose a vote on slogans I'll be run out of town for delaying it any longer. If I don't I'm unfair.

Some thoughts:
-One could argue that we should vote for tradition's sake.
- There are no less than three slogans on these tokens, how many do we want to 'put to a vote?'
- The wrong slogan could easily break the artistic feel of the design.
- I don't think I mentioned a slogan vote this year and many probably thought they were voting on the 'whole package.'

If there's a large majority outcry for a slogan vote, I'll consider it, but I'd honestly rather not if people can generally live with them as they are.

Edit: and if this gets ugly I reserve the right to just freeze the token as it is and let the chips fall where they may. Be civil.

mr.Curmudgeon · « **Reply #10 on:** October 01, 2007, 08:39:55 pm »

If there were to be a vote, I think it's highly likely that the final slogan will have nothing to do with the design, which, to me, would seem awkward...and could ruin the design as a whole. I'm not opposed to the idea that there's something potentially "better", slogan-wise...but at this point, it seems crazy to imagine just slapping something else in there.

For my part, I read the rules several times to make sure there wasn't a slogan to account for. Granted I haven't followed the token contest in past years...so I have no idea if the "slogan vote" happened at this stage. I wish I would have known that, because I would have certainly suggested that the slogan be voted on FIRST. Since, as a designer, we don't usually start the process of designing until we have all the copy (text content).

That's my .02

P.S. Outside of this whole debate...I REALLY want to thank all those who voted. All the designs were worthy of becoming tokens, and I'm honored to have mine chosen (even though it appears it still has to run the gauntlet)!

80sMike · « **Reply #11 on:** October 01, 2007, 08:44:56 pm »

I came to the party a bit late this year and missed out on the voting. I wasn't too happy with this design at first, but it's grown on me a lot as something completely different from past designs. Kind of reminds me of the penny arcade on Main Street at Disneyland all those years ago.

Sorry Mr. C, here's my .02 at this point - I agree with other comments about the "How Retro Can you Go?" slogan. Just doesn't feel right to me. I think something like "Build. Restore. Play" that we saw on other designs could look really good in that space and font, and also sort of ties into the gears and cogs theme.

I'm up for a vote (just on that one)...

Mike

P.S., Either way, I'll be buying some of this year's run. And actually, Santoro, I would think the Brass would fit better with this design in particular, just to reinforce the theme - Not sure if I'd even want Nickel for this one...

mr.Curmudgeon · « **Reply #12 on:** October 01, 2007, 08:52:04 pm »

Thinking about a bit, I see two issues:

1) Thematically, the slogan should fit.
2) Spatially, the slogan should fit.

As for issue #1, I don't have a clue on how to guarantee that. But for issue #2, I can find out what the maximum number of characters are that would fit on the banner, and that could be the maximum length for slogan text. (the text is already reeeeally small, so it probably can't get any smaller/longer and remain readable.) Note: Santoro/Pixelhugger will need to define the size limitations here.

For the record, I don't want people to buy the tokens, and still dislike the slogan.

saint · « **Reply #13 on:** October 01, 2007, 09:17:50 pm »

K.I.S.S. -- I say pre-order and move on

pointdablame · « **Reply #14 on:** October 01, 2007, 09:42:32 pm »

Quote from: saint on October 01, 2007, 09:17:50 pm

K.I.S.S. -- I say pre-order and move on

Despite what I said previously, I agree. There's no need to delay the token run any longer. I'm not the biggest fan of the slogan, but delaying another week or two may not even come up with a "better" one.

Plus, the slogan certainly isn't going to stop me from ordering, so I say just move on and stick with what is there.

my .02

markrvp · « **Reply #15 on:** October 01, 2007, 09:47:08 pm »

FWIW - I think the BUILD RESTORE PLAY slogan is better than "How Retro Can You Go?" I've got a mockup here, but I would do those words in the same font as Mr.C. had the "Retro" text (I didn't have it).

No need to vote, just do an informal poll here... Do you prefer Build Restore Play or How Retro Can You Go?

GadgetGeek · « **Reply #16 on:** October 01, 2007, 09:52:20 pm »

"how retro can you go?" goes well with the steampunk theme.
"build restore play" goes well with the BYOAC theme.

Reality...once minted, who is going to squint to see the motto?

I'm ready to pre-order my annual allotment of shiny goodness.

JONTHEBOMB · « **Reply #17 on:** October 01, 2007, 10:08:50 pm »

Quote from: markrvp on October 01, 2007, 09:47:08 pm

No need to vote, just do an informal poll here... Do you prefer Build Restore Play or How Retro Can You Go?

I prefer Build Restore Play.

Quote from: mr.Curmudgeon on October 01, 2007, 08:52:04 pm

1) Thematically, the slogan should fit.

As for issue #1, I don't have a clue on how to guarantee that.

If we do vote on a new slogan, I think you (Mr. C) should be allowed to eliminate any slogans that don't go with the theme of the token.

JoyMonkey · « **Reply #18 on:** October 01, 2007, 10:16:59 pm »

~~Six~~ seven words: "All Your Token Are Belong To Us"

Congrats MrC! I'll be ordering some of these whether the slogan changes or not.

Santoro · « **Reply #19 on:** October 01, 2007, 10:25:55 pm »

"One coin to rule them all...." remember that mess?

saint · « **Reply #20 on:** October 01, 2007, 10:52:13 pm »

Quote from: Santoro on October 01, 2007, 10:25:55 pm

"One coin to rule them all...." remember that mess?

Best. Slogan. Ever. I really wanted that one.

Chris · « **Reply #21 on:** October 01, 2007, 11:01:09 pm »

Quote from: Santoro on October 01, 2007, 10:25:55 pm

"One coin to rule them all...." remember that mess?

Oh don't start. (Runs and hides from patrickl)

mr.Curmudgeon · « **Reply #22 on:** October 01, 2007, 11:02:59 pm »

Quote from: Santoro on October 01, 2007, 10:25:55 pm

"One coin to rule them all...." remember that mess?

I'm fine with changing it to BUILD RESTORE PLAY, if that's what it comes down to. I'm not going to make that decision though, in lieu of the fact that 43 people voted on the token as it was displayed. I'll leave that to Santoro (whom I'm absolutely positive will be more explicit in the design instructions next year).

shardian · « **Reply #23 on:** October 01, 2007, 11:03:38 pm »

I like the "retro"phrase myself. It really goes with the theme. obviously the voters liked it too, since it was part of the theme and they voted for it. In a game room setting, I think the average visitor will "get" the retro theme of the coin.

I vote no change. The deal is done.

Chris · « **Reply #24 on:** October 01, 2007, 11:05:25 pm »

If we're talking about slogans, I'm more concerned about "MAME Aeternus", which requires us to get MAMEDEV blessing. "Forix Aeternus" translates roughtly to "Arcade Eternal"... most translators will also come up with "Ianus Aeternus", but I can just imagine what most people's first impression of "Ianus" is.

mr.Curmudgeon · « **Reply #25 on:** October 01, 2007, 11:09:34 pm »

As far as "Mame" is concerned, I believe Santoro already has their blessing. I believe I read that in the original design submission thread, so I included it in the latin phrase "Mame Everlasting". (Which STAYS, btw...I love that one just too much. Unless MameDev's have changed their minds)

Also, I went with "Mame" instead of "arcade" specifically because of the anus thing. No need to turn these into ass tokens.

EDIT: Found it. "MAME IS OK though, we have approval to use the logo if we like as long as we respect the spirit of MAME - i.e. no references to playing thousands of games, etc." http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=66659.0

Chris · « **Reply #26 on:** October 01, 2007, 11:20:19 pm »

Quote from: mr.Curmudgeon on October 01, 2007, 11:09:34 pm

No need to turn these into ass tokens.

LMAO!!!

Quote

EDIT: Found it. "MAME IS OK though, we have approval to use the logo if we like as long as we respect the spirit of MAME - i.e. no references to playing thousands of games, etc." http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=66659.0

[Emily Litella Voice]Oh.. that's different then. Never mind.[/Emily Litella Voice]

Kremmit · « **Reply #27 on:** October 01, 2007, 11:39:12 pm »

Quote from: mr.Curmudgeon on October 01, 2007, 11:09:34 pm

No need to turn these into ass tokens.

I vote we change the slogan to "Ass Tokens".

shardian · « **Reply #28 on:** October 01, 2007, 11:43:23 pm »

Quote from: Kremmit on October 01, 2007, 11:39:12 pm

Quote from: mr.Curmudgeon on October 01, 2007, 11:09:34 pm
No need to turn these into ass tokens.

I vote we change the slogan to "Ass Tokens".

You could put a tub of them on the P2 side, and the back could say "Good for one ass whipping".

Chris · « **Reply #29 on:** October 01, 2007, 11:44:17 pm »

Quote from: Kremmit on October 01, 2007, 11:39:12 pm

Quote from: mr.Curmudgeon on October 01, 2007, 11:09:34 pm
No need to turn these into ass tokens.

I vote we change the slogan to "Ass Tokens".

That might require a slight change in art... one I'm not sure I want to see blinged.

XyloSesame · « **Reply #30 on:** October 02, 2007, 12:03:24 am »

This was my first opportunity to cast a vote, and all of the designs were excellent. I voted for both of Mr C's designs, though the "Retro" slogan made the decision difficult for me as I preferred the text on some of the other designs. I am one of those freaks that reads the fine print, whether on paper or coin...

Outside of Ass Tokens, I'm partial to "Build Restore Play" and would cast a vote in favor; this seems less kitsch than the "Retro" slogan.

Nothing wrong with kitsch, mind you.

Or ass, for that matter.

[EDIT] Regardless of slogan, I'll be ordering... [/EDIT]

patrickl · « **Reply #31 on:** October 02, 2007, 01:53:02 am »

"One coin to rule them all" would be a good slogan yes. Good idea

I'm not a big fan of the "how retro can you go" slogan, but indeed no one is going to actually read the slogans anyway.

Havok · « **Reply #32 on:** October 02, 2007, 07:21:28 am »

Erm...

2006 tokens anyone?

missioncontrol · « **Reply #33 on:** October 02, 2007, 08:00:12 am »

we only voted on slogans last year, the previous years it was the artist's work. The main reason for the slogan vote last year was so that we could get more artist involved who might come up with great designs, but not a witty slogan. Most designs last year used the "All your games are belong to us" with the understanding there would be a vote for a slogan.

I'm happy with the design either way. I would rather this particular design keep the "How Retro" slogan because of the design. The "MAME AETERNUS" on the flip side isn't my favorite, but if the artist preferred to keep it. Then I have no objections.

If there had been more entries using a generic slogan, then I would say we need to vote a slogan, but this years submissions each design had themed their particular design around their own slogans.

vorghagen · « **Reply #34 on:** October 02, 2007, 08:35:03 am »

Quote from: Havok on October 02, 2007, 07:21:28 am

Erm...

2006 tokens anyone?

Yes please. Yes yes yes please.
I'll be ordering some of the 2007 tokens and if possible I'd also like to throw in a request for 2006 tokens as well.
Do we know if there's enough demand to mint another batch?
Perhaps do the same thing as 2007 tokens and setup a pre-order to guage possible demand?
I hate to for ask this cause Santoro already has a chunk on his plate but I really like those tokens and I left it too late last year.

ChadTower · « **Reply #35 on:** October 02, 2007, 08:35:31 am »

Did people somehow not read that slogan when they voted the first time? It was right there in the design - if you didn't like it you shouldn't have voted for it. I voted for other tokens pretty much because of the slogan on Mr C's... I liked the design but the slogan wasn't what I wanted. That was the time to make your voice heard, not after the voting closed. The design I voted for didn't win - boo hoo - now I'm ready to make my preorder.

I say keep it as it and just take the preorders. People had their chance to vote.

I'd like to toss in some 2006 tokens as well.

Santoro · « **Reply #36 on:** October 02, 2007, 08:41:09 am »

OK, I'm moving forward as is. There was no statement that we'd vote on a slogan, most seem to be able to live with what's on there. I apologize in advance to anyone that thought there'd be a vote for the slogan.

We have a really nice token and I want to get it made in 2007. We need to move on.

Thanks for all the feedback.

mr.Curmudgeon · « **Reply #37 on:** October 02, 2007, 09:23:22 am »

Damn it. I was just going to suggest we change it to, "One Ass Token To Rule Them All Retro and To Build, Restore and Destroy, 2006"

Kaytrim · « **Reply #38 on:** October 02, 2007, 09:37:01 am »

Put me in for a preorder and some 2006 tokens as well.

FWIW I like the token, slogan included as Mr.C designed it.

TTFN
Kaytrim

ChadTower · « **Reply #39 on:** October 02, 2007, 09:38:00 am »

"One Token Ass To Destroy All The Retro"


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