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Level42:

--- Quote from: destructor on September 29, 2007, 04:43:57 am ---I understand that name product can be any. For example: Super Laser Switch :) But it lead in people to mistake because people think that switch use laser for action where really is plunger with lever :)
It looks as publicity.

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I agree, but I didn't make-up the name....talk to Randy  ;D
destructor:

--- Quote from: Tiger-Heli on September 29, 2007, 05:57:40 am ---
--- Quote from: RandyT on September 28, 2007, 03:56:13 pm ---Take the switch out of your pushbutton and see if the button returns after you push it :)

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Nope, just sits there at the bottom, in fact I can't even push it ...

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Button returns otherwise but how fast? The same is with joysticks centering, remove switches from joystick and check how fast joystick back to center. Simple example is UltraStik.

--- Quote from: Chris on September 28, 2007, 03:24:15 pm ---
--- Quote from: destructor on September 28, 2007, 02:21:25 pm ---Hm...I see this switch is mounted with some angle in button. It is not good because you will feel differrence when you press button in different points. On left side feel will be hard on right side it will be ... (?) :) If you play on games where you must shoot often, you newer press button in center, always on edge of button. ::)

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A regular microswitch button only contacts on one side; how is this any different?

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Good point, you have right. Thing is that switch's plunger return not vertically but using some angle = slower return pushbutton to top position. It is nevermind for games where you shot one time for half hour. But what if you must shot 8-10 (or more if you can) times for second? Oherwise it must be tested.
patrickl:

--- Quote from: RandyT on September 25, 2007, 07:55:32 pm ---
--- Quote from: patrickl on September 25, 2007, 06:15:47 pm ---I guess I created a "micro leaf" joystick already for my PocketGalaga

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I'd say you created a nail with two switches nailed next to it.  See how that works?  ;)

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Yes that's exactly my point. Nothing "leaf" about either. Yet, one of us actually calls it a "leaf" switch  ::)

Adding the lever/leaf only increases the "throw" of the switch (which is exactly what you don't want) and I doubt it does anything with the clicking sound. It does reduce the pressure required for activating the switch, but that's it. So that's only one out of three of the leaf advantages over microswitch.

I'll bet it's still a nice product for some people, but I really don't care for the marketing speak with the obvious intention to mislead people.
RandyT:

--- Quote from: patrickl on September 29, 2007, 07:29:31 am ---Yes that's exactly my point. Nothing "leaf" about either. Yet, one of us actually calls it a "leaf" switch  ::)

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--- Quote from: Dictionary (get one) ---leaf  (lf)
n. pl. leaves (lvz)
1. A usually green, flattened, lateral structure attached to a stem and functioning as a principal organ of photosynthesis and transpiration in most plants.
2. A leaflike organ or structure.
3.
a. Leaves considered as a group; foliage.
b. The state or time of having or showing leaves: trees in full leaf.
4. The leaves of a plant used or processed for a specific purpose: large supplies of tobacco leaf.
5. Any of the sheets of paper bound in a book, each side of which constitutes a page.
6.
a. A very thin sheet of material, especially metal.
b. Such leaves considered as a group: covered in gold leaf.
7. A hinged or removable section for a table top.
8. A hinged or otherwise movable section of a folding door, shutter, or gate.
9. One of several metal strips forming a leaf spring.
v. leafed, leaf·ing, leafs
v.intr.
1. To produce leaves; put forth foliage: trees just beginning to leaf.
2. To turn pages, as in searching or browsing: leafed through the catalog.
v.tr.
To turn through the pages of.

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So what part of the above relates to the true and actual "leaf switch"?  And what part of it that does, does not relate to this product?

"Snap" switches are referred to as "Micro-switches", and the word "Micro" is first and foremost in the title.  The product does everything that has been claimed and no-one is being misled here (unless it is by the "usual suspects" with their painfully usual agendas) 


--- Quote ---Adding the lever/leaf only increases the "throw" of the switch (which is exactly what you don't want) and I doubt it does anything with the clicking sound. It does reduce the pressure required for activating the switch, but that's it. So that's only one out of three of the leaf advantages over microswitch.

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Nope.  Smaller switch, smaller throw.  Smaller throw, lighter click.  Some of you "seen and done everything" types might get a real eye-opener from dissecting one of these switches and seeing just how "leaf-like" they are inside.

RandyT
destructor:

--- Quote from: RandyT on September 29, 2007, 08:04:50 am ---
--- Quote from: patrickl on September 29, 2007, 07:29:31 am ---Yes that's exactly my point. Nothing "leaf" about either. Yet, one of us actually calls it a "leaf" switch  ::)

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--- Quote from: Dictionary (get one) ---leaf  (lf)
n. pl. leaves (lvz)
1. A usually green, flattened, lateral structure attached to a stem and functioning as a principal organ of photosynthesis and transpiration in most plants.
2. A leaflike organ or structure.
3.
a. Leaves considered as a group; foliage.
b. The state or time of having or showing leaves: trees in full leaf.
4. The leaves of a plant used or processed for a specific purpose: large supplies of tobacco leaf.
5. Any of the sheets of paper bound in a book, each side of which constitutes a page.
6.
a. A very thin sheet of material, especially metal.
b. Such leaves considered as a group: covered in gold leaf.
7. A hinged or removable section for a table top.
8. A hinged or otherwise movable section of a folding door, shutter, or gate.
9. One of several metal strips forming a leaf spring.
v. leafed, leaf·ing, leafs
v.intr.
1. To produce leaves; put forth foliage: trees just beginning to leaf.
2. To turn pages, as in searching or browsing: leafed through the catalog.
v.tr.
To turn through the pages of.

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So what part of the above relates to the true and actual "leaf switch"?  And what part of it that does, does not relate to this product?

"Snap" switches are referred to as "Micro-switches", and the word "Micro" is first and foremost in the title.  The product does everything that has been claimed and no-one is being misled here (unless it is by the "usual suspects" with their painfully usual agendas) 

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'Micro' is first and foremost in title? Look for this name: Leaf-switch.
RandyT, you create new name for something what is named from years by others manufacturers and mislead peoples. You think you found something new? No. This switch in whole World is named Subminiature Micro Switch and 'L' is added at end symbol what knows Lever not Leaf. Leaf is more thiny than Lever and every people in whole world knows what is leaf switch.
I don't know why you want to mislead people. For more money?
Why you use angle for mount this switch? It can be mounted without angle if you use switch without this lever (more space in point where is plunger, with lever there is additional plastick and switch must be mounted in angle).But you in purpose use switch with lever becuase you want to named it Leaf what is false, mislead peoples for spend money and contradictory with real name knows from other manufacturers. You product is simple 'subminiature micro switch' for pushbuttons. I don't see what word LEAF has for this switch. Leaf in arcade world knows very very thiny metal plate with bend peculiarity. You lever isn't with bend peculiarity because it must push plunger then it is stiff.
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