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Xiaou2:

"You have one laying around?"

 As I posted, yes.

 I collect various electronic parts.   I also used to work in the arcades.   Anyways,
I have a mini micro.   My mini micro is slightly less efficient than Randy's cause the
activator point is not as close to the pivot point.   But, held in place by hand,
at the same angle as shown, I could easily see an improvement in actuation
distance over a standard microswitch.

 That said.. Im not sure I liked the feel of it. 


 Id still use real leafs in places of classic controls.    But might choose to add
these for fighters for example. 



RandyT:


--- Quote from: patrickl on September 29, 2007, 04:51:42 pm ---Pfft sure. This metal part on a switch is called a lever. You know perfectly well why instead you choose to call it a "leaf". Especially in the arcade scene here were leaf has a very different connotation from microswitch this an obvious attempt to mislead people.

--- End quote ---

Patrick.  I know there's a small language barrier with you (although not as much as others who are attempting to perpetuate this false notion) but you are starting to make yourself appear somewhat dim by constantly re-iterating this.

I inferred or outright stated that this was a microswitch several times in the description.  I will spell it out for you so it is clear...apologies for needing to quote myself.


--- Quote from: RandyT ---"The only pushbutton switch to combine the best traits of both the classic leaf-style switch and the modern micro or "snap" switches."

--- End quote ---

I stated here that it combined the traits of the switches, not that it was a leaf-switch.  In fact, nowhere is it stated that these are leaf switches.  Don't you think that I would have made it quite clear that it was a leaf switch if it was indeed such a switch?

And a side note for those who haven't quite figured this out:  Microswitches with leaves, blades, levers, hinged metal plate actuators, ad nauseum, were created to fit into applications served earlier by leaf switches.  It's all about pre-travel, operating force, overtravel, and so on.  Simple microswitches can't approximate the action of a leaf-switch with just plunger actuation, so the blade arrangement was invented.  Internal to the switch used in the Micro-Leaf™, the parts are nearly identical, with the exception that pressure is not  placed on the contact point and the return component does not stress the arm holding the contacts, so misalignment does not occur.  It's also a more positive contact that is not prone to bounce.


--- Quote from: RandyT ---The Micro-Leaf gets rid of the loud clicking

--- End quote ---

I didn't say "because it's a leaf switch, there is no clicking noise at all."  Don't you think I would have if this were the case?


--- Quote from: RandyT ---Much like a leaf switch...

--- End quote ---

These 5 words draw a parallel, which specifically states that it is NOT the item it is being compared to.  It would be stupidly redundant to compare something against itself.


--- Quote from: RandyT ---Actuation is fast and reset travel is tiny, making ultra-fast cycling a reality for the first time ever in a microswitch based arcade pushbutton.

--- End quote ---

If the others weren't enough, here I even stated quite clearly that the end result is a "microswitch based arcade pushbutton." ...Not leaf-switch based.


--- Quote ---Pfft again. Smaller than what?

--- End quote ---

Smaller than conventional microswitches used in pushbuttons, obviously. 


--- Quote --- A microswitch without a lever has a smaller activation distance than one with a lever........
.....
.....It has a very slight advantage (lighter activation) and a slight disadvantage (longer activation distance) over a regular microswitch.

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Yes, and it also increases the resistance and the amount of feedback transferred.   A lighter activation is not a "slight advantage" and the throw is not longer.  You honestly couldn't be more wrong.

It is apparent that you are talking outside your area of expertise, which is exacerbated by the fact that you have no frame of reference with the product. 

RandyT



Grasshopper:

Randy, this argument is ridiculous.

I'm prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt and accept that there was no deliberate attempt on your part to deceive customers. However, the fact remains that the term "leaf" in this context has caused a great deal of confusion. This thread alone is evidence enough of that.

It's true that most people around here are experienced and will rapidly deduce from the pictures that you are in fact selling microswitches. However, someone new to the hobby might have heard somewhere that leaf switches offer a better feel without having actually seen a genuine leaf switch. Such a person could quite conceivably buy some of your switches based simply on the product's name, and then end up disappointed when he realises that he hasn't bought leaf switches after all.

Why not just change the name and move on? You don't even have to admit you're wrong. Just do it for the sake of good customer relations.

Chris:


--- Quote from: Grasshopper on September 30, 2007, 12:48:53 pm ---I'm prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt and accept that there was no deliberate attempt on your part to deceive customers. However, the fact remains that the term "leaf" in this context has caused a great deal of confusion. This thread alone is evidence enough of that.

--- End quote ---
It hasn't brought about any confusion... it's brought out the hardcore passionate "Leaf switches are the best" crowd who are saying "How DARE you insinuate anything microswitch based could have anything to do with our beloved leaf switches?" and hiding it under "You're confusing the uninformed microswitch-using peasants" rhetoric.



Grasshopper:


--- Quote from: Chris on September 30, 2007, 12:52:56 pm ---
--- Quote from: Grasshopper on September 30, 2007, 12:48:53 pm ---I'm prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt and accept that there was no deliberate attempt on your part to deceive customers. However, the fact remains that the term "leaf" in this context has caused a great deal of confusion. This thread alone is evidence enough of that.

--- End quote ---
It hasn't brought about any confusion... it's brought out the hardcore passionate "Leaf switches are the best" crowd who are saying "How DARE you insinuate anything microswitch based could have anything to do with our beloved leaf switches?" and hiding it under "You're confusing the uninformed microswitch-using peasants" rhetoric.

--- End quote ---

Well there might be an element of that as well.

But whatever... It still doesn't alter the fact that Randy should just change the name. Problem solved.


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