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ChadTower:
--- Quote from: CCM on November 06, 2007, 11:04:46 am ---So any professional football player can walk in to the octagon and take any hits a heavyweight fighter can dish out? A punch, a knee, an elbow?
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No professional fighter can take any hits a heavyweight fighter can dish out, either. Be fair. What I'm saying is that a pro football player, if taught proper defense, can take the same level of hits the fighters can, if they are taught how to defend them and limit the number of them.
--- Quote ---I really don't think being tough and taking hits in the NFL or WWE translates to an automatic iron-jaw in MMA.
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I didn't say that. I said it proves he can take a hit. I didn't say it makes him impossible to knock out. No one is impossible to knock out.
--- Quote ---All I'm saying is that no one has ever seen Lesnar take a clean shot to the jaw. He may very well have a head like a cinder-block, but it hasn't been proven yet.
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It has been shown. Take a look at that botched moonsault at Wrestlemania. He landed face first from about 11 feet. He got up. No fighter is going to hit him with that type of impact. Now, if someone were there to hit him with a second and third shot, yes he'd be knocked out, but there isn't a person on the planet that can say otherwise. There are many other examples but that one is probably easy to find on youtube.
CCM:
--- Quote from: ChadTower on November 06, 2007, 11:09:40 am ---
I didn't say that. I said it proves he can take a hit. I didn't say it makes him impossible to knock out. No one is impossible to knock out.
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That is my point exactly... no one is impossible to knock out... that is what I am saying. I don't care where Lesnar cam from, WWE, NCAA, NFL, Mars... wherever, he can still be knocked out.
I'm very curious to see this fight and see Lesnar's jaw get tested. He definitely has the size, strength, and wrestling background to dominate MMA. I think with 1 fight under his belt (against a rag-doll) we just need to wait and see what he can take.
We've all seen enough crazy stuff in MMA. People you think will dominate sometimes don't. A few months ago I would have told you that no one in the heavyweight division in the UFC could beat Cro Cop and that he would be the heavyweight champ by now, I was dead wrong there.
ChadTower:
--- Quote from: CCM on November 06, 2007, 11:28:48 am ---That is my point exactly... no one is impossible to knock out... that is what I am saying. I don't care where Lesnar cam from, WWE, NCAA, NFL, Mars... wherever, he can still be knocked out.
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I haven't said he can't be knocked out. The key isn't can he take a hit, as I believe he has proven that many times... the key is can he defend himself enough so that he isn't taking many. That's where the nonMMA athletes always fail. It's not that they can't take hits... it's that they can't take 10 of them.
--- Quote ---We've all seen enough crazy stuff in MMA. People you think will dominate sometimes don't. A few months ago I would have told you that no one in the heavyweight division in the UFC could beat Cro Cop and that he would be the heavyweight champ by now, I was dead wrong there.
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Cro Cop was always overrated. He had a giant rep, sure, but with the level of training guys are getting now, all he showed was that his striking was ahead of the curve... but certainly not superior to it. He knew he'd never be able to deal with a world class jiu jitsu guy and hasn't been nearly the same here because of his fear of getting taken down. When he stopped coming forward like a Terminator his effectiveness dwindled.
CCM:
ok, ok.. I'm not going to go back and forth with you all day. I realize you are a WWE/Lesnar fan-boy. All I'm saying is that I am going to wait for Lesnar to prove it in the octagon.
Some people seem like they have all the tools necessary to dominate in MMA and for some reason they don't. I'm not going to over-hype Lesnar based on his non-mma background. He needs to prove himself, which he hasn't done yet.
There is a very good possibility that within a year he could be undefeated in the UFC and hold the heavyweight title.
I think Frank Mir is a great fighter and will be a great first opponent for Lesnar. A decisive win against Mir will go a long way in proving to people (including me) that Lesnar is for real.
ChadTower:
--- Quote from: CCM on November 06, 2007, 11:50:23 am ---ok, ok.. I'm not going to go back and forth with you all day. I realize you are a WWE/Lesnar fan-boy. All I'm saying is that I am going to wait for Lesnar to prove it in the octagon.
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Having an opinion different than yours doesn't make one a fanboy. Lighten up.
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