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diesel cars. NO!
shardian:
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--- Quote from: shardian on September 24, 2007, 08:33:00 am ---Here in the states, Diesel USED to be cheaper than gasoline. Now it is on average 30 cents higher than gas. Strange too, since diesel is supposed to be easier and cheaper to produce.
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Less demand for it, so less is being produced and the price is higher.
Environmental laws are a factor as well.
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Lower demand pushes the price down. Even if the demand has increased, it doesn't make sense that diesel all the sudden is 30 cents more a gallon than gas, as opposed to 30 cents less than gas as it has been historically.
ChadTower:
That only works if you apply the myth of supply and demand determining gas prices. Anyone who has ever owned a car can tell you that can't be true.
Kremmit:
Danny, I know you know a thing or two about cars -probably more than me- but you need to update your knowledge re: diesel engines. Some of the modern ones out of Europe are NOT the noisy, stinky, polluting, in-efficient ---daisies--- you're familiar with.
My old work truck had a Ford Powerstroke TurboDiesel in it. It was noisy, it stunk, it blew clouds of visible smoke, and it got about 8 miles to the gallon doing my kind of work. My new truck has a Mercedes 5 cylinder CDI engine in it. It's quieter than my regular car, the exhaust is invisible and smells cleaner than my regular car, and it does 20 miles per gallon doing the exact same work.
I looked into running it on veggie oil when I got it, but I do about 200 miles a day- it's awful hard to collect and filter 250+ gallons of oil a month, I honestly just don't have the time. I wish someplace in my area was selling BioDiesel, but the nearest place is an hour North of me.
re: Diesel engines originally designed for veg oil: It was peanut oil. Damn oil companies saw this and rushed to find a way to refine a competing fuel from petroleum. ---daisies---.
re: Mods to run on veg oil: The heater is to de-crease viscosity, not the other way around. Can't burn cold veggie oil, because Crisco doesn't flow through the fuel lines so good.
re: Diesel prices higher than regular gas in the US: Varies from state to state; in CA Diesel was 30 cents cheaper 4 years ago, got as high as 50 cents higher for a while, and then they were back to parity a couple months ago. Today Diesel is about 15 cents higher again. Problem (at least in CA) stems from a lack of refining capacity for Diesel. In part because all the CA refining plants have to devote their resources to making our "special CA blend" of unleaded as mandated by CA enviro-law. We can't get any of our Unleaded from out-of-state refiners, so the local plants have to make all we need, even if that means cutting production of other fuels. Effing legislature.
ChadTower:
--- Quote from: Kremmit on September 24, 2007, 12:26:51 pm ---It was noisy, it stunk, it blew clouds of visible smoke, and it got about 8 miles to the gallon doing my kind of work.
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I dated a girl like that once.
patrickl:
--- Quote from: danny_galaga on September 24, 2007, 05:45:44 am ---although, years ago when i was in den haag, my uncle pointed out that they were removing diesel pumps at fuel stations in the city to encourage people NOT to buy diesels?
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Really? I've never heard that.
AFAIK every gas station has both kinds of fuel (and often multiple variants of those types). Well apart from LPG since that cannot be sold (or rather stored) in close range to residential areas.
They are making diesel more expensive in the Netherlands though.
BTW Euro 95 is 1,35 per liter and not 1,50. Diesel is a lot cheaper though, but then the road tax and purchase price of the car is a lot higher.
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