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diesel cars. NO!
patrickl:
--- Quote from: Level42 on September 23, 2007, 04:09:17 pm ---Diesels are very popular here in Europe and with a couple of reasons:
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2) It does NOT emit CO2 gasses
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Excuse me?!?!? You must have a seriously advanced Diesel engine then ::)
jbox:
--- Quote from: patrickl on September 23, 2007, 05:07:18 pm ---
--- Quote from: Level42 on September 23, 2007, 04:09:17 pm ---Diesels are very popular here in Europe and with a couple of reasons:
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2) It does NOT emit CO2 gasses
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Excuse me?!?!? You must have a seriously advanced Diesel engine then ::)
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He also farts sunshine and craps puppies. ;D
danny_galaga:
--- Quote from: Level42 on September 23, 2007, 04:09:17 pm ---
Anyway, the real problem is we should forget about fuel powered cars at all and start gettting the electric powered cars ready for serious use. An electric engine is a lot more efficient (80% compared to 30% with traditional fuel engines).
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amen!
although, years ago when i was in den haag, my uncle pointed out that they were removing diesel pumps at fuel stations in the city to encourage people NOT to buy diesels?
danny_galaga:
--- Quote from: TOK on September 23, 2007, 04:37:22 pm ---The electric car debate (plug in and charge electrics, not hybrids) usually brings up the topic of burning coal or fossil fuels to create the extra electricity. Not sure how it really works, but the contention is that you aren't eliminating pollution with electric vehicles, you're just moving it to somewhere else in the chain.
California, which would be a prime market for electrics has recently suffered rolling brownouts because there is not enough electricity production for normal use. Plug in electrics will be a big problem for their biggest potential market.
They are coming too. GM has plans to launch them, and the Tesla electric sports car is slated for release in 08. It's completely electric and will go 200 miles on a 5 hour charge.
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brownouts = enron. no more enron ;)
electric is great for several reasons. one of the things you point out is an actual advantage. if you are going to create pollution anyway, why not OUTSIDE of cities? also, you can get electricity from any sort of situation. this makes an electric motor an EXTREMELY flexible device. it can be powered by coal, natural gas, nuclear, solar, wind, hydro etc...
shardian:
--- Quote from: Level42 on September 23, 2007, 04:09:17 pm ---
3) Diesel fuel is a lot cheaper here compared to regular gas (Diesel=1,10 Euro/liter, regular gas = 1,50/liter)
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Here in the states, Diesel USED to be cheaper than gasoline. Now it is on average 30 cents higher than gas. Strange too, since diesel is supposed to be easier and cheaper to produce.
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