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Author Topic: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion  (Read 29571 times)

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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #40 on: February 19, 2008, 11:01:20 am »
Bender,

Thanks for the kind words. Did you find out if it fits a Happ yet?

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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #41 on: February 24, 2008, 01:10:45 am »
I may be interested in this for the happ joystick unless I find a real tron joystick in the near future (or if I find a dot/xenophobe one). Any word yet on happ support Bender (or anyone else)?
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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #42 on: February 24, 2008, 01:19:38 am »
I just had a thought. Encryptor, have you contacted happ to see if they are interested in selling these with their stick, or providing a link to information on how to buy from you or something? My guess is they wouldn't be interested in but it certainly wouldn't hurt to try. Also, I wonder if divemaster would be interested in selling these since he sells the happ sticks. He might even be able to confirm whether or not they fit right.

I'm shocked that you haven't had more interest, but I really think the BST forum is probably not a great place to advertise your solution. I never used to come here until I decided to consider buying from divemaster.

I would say that there needs to be a reference to this on the Tron joystick wiki page, especially if it's found to work with the happ sticks.

EDIT: I went ahead and put a link to this thread on the Tron Joystick wiki page. Hope no one minds.
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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #43 on: March 23, 2008, 07:45:26 pm »
it works great with the happ stick
here is the thread I made on how to do it
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=78233.msg815651#msg815651

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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #44 on: March 23, 2008, 09:00:19 pm »
I have a happ 8 way stick hacked with a flight stick top, not the happ flight stick.  Anyone know if it'll fit on that somehow?

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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #45 on: March 24, 2008, 04:20:17 pm »
Which 8 way stick do you have? There are many different ones.


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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #46 on: May 10, 2008, 07:39:02 pm »
Encryptor, I recently bought a complete tron panel on ebay and I'm in the process of cleaning up/restoring the stick and spinner. I have the restrictor out and all cleaned up, and I'm wondering if I might want to replace it with one of yours. It's in good shape considering age (it didn't have the rust pitting that yours had - my stick was relatively rust free), but it is quite hard, and I wonder if it is supposed to be this hard. I have to use a fair amount of force to squeeze it at the corner spots with my fingers (i.e. up/down/left/right). If I push with my thumb on the diagonal spots, it doesn't budge at all. The impression I got was that it was somewhat stiff, but I figured it would have more movement than that.

Although maybe it's because I'm doing this with my hands and the restrictor out, as opposed to doing it with the fully assembled stick.

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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #47 on: May 10, 2008, 10:18:03 pm »
I'm sure being 20+ years old that the urethane has stiffened a good bit but even the repros I make are fairly stiff. They do give a little but not much. I imagine with the force of the stick pushing on it you may see more difference in the stiffness.


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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #48 on: May 10, 2008, 10:58:24 pm »
I just reassembled the stick after cleaning it all up, and that restrictor might as well be metal - the movement is so minute that it's for all intents and purposes nonexistent. If you were to estimate how much it moves using "normal" force, how much would it be? 1/8"? More? Less? I'm maybe getting 1/32".
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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #49 on: May 11, 2008, 06:17:51 am »
I don't know how much movement there is and my Tron stick isn't together right now. The purpose of the restrictor was to make it more difficult to hit the diagonals but not impossible. If you can hit the diagonals that's all that matters.

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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #50 on: May 11, 2008, 12:10:15 pm »
Well that all depends on how I adjust the leaves. Right now I can't hit the diagonals, but I could if I adjust them back a bit.

So are you saying the "make it more difficult part" is not about making the player push with extra force against the restrictor? It's more about providing only a small spot along the edge of the restrictor between "left" and "up" (for instance) where both are hit at the same time? In other words, the problem with the light cycle level isn't if you hit a diagonal at all, it's if you stay in a diagonal for more than a fraction of a second?

I thought it was the former, but that's just my interpretation of things I've read here. I haven't had any way to test it until now, and even now I don't have it hooked up yet.
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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #51 on: May 11, 2008, 04:38:15 pm »
They made the restrictor so you didn't hit the diagonals while playing the light cycles but if you push hard enough during other portions of the game you can hit the diagonals.


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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #52 on: May 12, 2008, 09:21:57 am »
Which 8 way stick do you have? There are many different ones.


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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #53 on: May 12, 2008, 09:34:57 am »
No.
These only fit the flight stick style bases.
You should be able to build a restrictor into the CP itself though.

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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #54 on: September 18, 2008, 10:55:49 am »
Encryptor, you still sell these restrictors?

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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #55 on: September 18, 2008, 03:48:30 pm »
Encryptor, you still sell these restrictors?

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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #56 on: November 09, 2008, 10:26:33 am »
Ok boys and gals! I finally got around to getting some more urethane and the first restrictor is curing in the basement as I type this. I know there were a few people that wanted some of these over the last few months. I am taking orders again if anyone is looking for one let me know. Same prices, $7 for the restrictor and $5 shipping to the continental US. Thank you for the support.


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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #57 on: April 15, 2012, 11:07:10 am »
So it seems that Happ has changed the manufacture of the heavy-duty 8-way.  There is no separate bottom restrictor anymore which can be turned 45 degrees.  It is now built into the bottom plate.  I don't see any way to do the Tron modification anymore with this joystick.

http://na.suzohapp.com/joysticks/50997000x.htm

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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #58 on: April 16, 2012, 04:57:07 am »
So it seems that Happ has changed the manufacture of the heavy-duty 8-way.  There is no separate bottom restrictor anymore which can be turned 45 degrees.  It is now built into the bottom plate.  I don't see any way to do the Tron modification anymore with this joystick.

http://na.suzohapp.com/joysticks/50997000x.htm

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The piece 96-4535-00 on the exploded diagram is the piece that I make and the piece that restricts the joystick to 4-way.

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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #59 on: May 14, 2013, 10:06:12 pm »
Do you still sell these? I am interested in buying a couple, please msg on how to get them ordered.

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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #60 on: February 01, 2017, 10:03:50 pm »
Hello,

FYI - I don't  make or sell the restrictors anymore but someone I know sent me the link below to someone that is selling them online. They're a bit more expensive then I was selling them for. Hopefully they're still selling them. Take care and good luck.

Tron Restrictor at Arcadefixit.com

https://www.arcadefixit.com/product.sc?productId=2384&categoryId=-1


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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #61 on: June 17, 2020, 02:18:21 pm »
Hello.

I realize this is an old post. I figured I'd try here before starting over.

I have an old Tron restrictor that I'd like to swap out for the one that came with my Happ Joystick -but it looks exactly the same; more like a square bumper than the diamond type I'm seeing here in the restrictor mods.

Yes. It's driving me nuts. You get to the light cycles and everything goes out the window when it goes more 8-way than 4-way.

Will this authentic restrictor work?
Or do I need the mod?

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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #62 on: June 17, 2020, 09:37:58 pm »
Will this authentic restrictor work?
Or do I need the mod?


That’s for Discs of Tron.

Tron’s restrictor looks like this:




Notice it’s a diamond pattern rather than a square.

You can mod the stick to put a U360 on the bottom and then restrict the directions via software rather than buying this.  The above restrictor will screw you up for other games that require 8 way (like Discs of Tron).  The mod allows you to play all games and put a per game restriction on.  There won’t be the physical restriction, but at least it will work for a variety of games.  Here’s the mod link if you are interested:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,86734.0.html

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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #63 on: January 27, 2022, 11:52:35 am »
@Encryptor What would you say to posting the design of this part to Thingiverse so that folks coming by 10+ years later can get the part made on a 3D printer? :)

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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #64 on: January 27, 2022, 04:02:55 pm »
@Encryptor What would you say to posting the design of this part to Thingiverse so that folks coming by 10+ years later can get the part made on a 3D printer? :)
It will be very difficult, probably impossible with current filament options, to make a 3d printed Tron upper restrictor that works properly and lasts.
- If someone does do a 3d model for this item, it would be a better idea to do a casting mold and include information about the proper material to use. (almost certain that it's urethane, but not sure what durometer.)



It would be fairly easy to make a 3d printable Tron lower restrictor. (Attached photo is from Encryptor's DOT- Xenphobe to Tron Conversion.pdf in the OP of this thread)

Related thread:  http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,159989.0.html


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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #65 on: January 27, 2022, 06:24:06 pm »
Impossible? Nah.
There's a lot of great exotic filaments nowadays. Wood, metal, NinjaFlex.

Besides, is this even a 3D shape? Seems like you could cut it really easily from urethane sheet stock. I have a little desktop CNC that would make quick work of it.

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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #66 on: January 27, 2022, 06:35:05 pm »
Does anyone want to measure some parts for me?

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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #67 on: January 27, 2022, 09:09:33 pm »
There's a lot of great exotic filaments nowadays.
Yes there are . . . and I haven't seen any with the right properties for this application.
- Ninjaflex is way too flexible and wears too easily.
- TPU is too flexible and wears too easily.

Even if you find a suitable exotic filament that works in your printer you'll need the right settings to get the best possible results.

Bottom line:  With currently available materials, casting a Tron upper restrictor is absolutely more likely to yield acceptable results than 3d printing one.

Besides, is this even a 3D shape?
The center hole is slightly tapered so yes, there is a bit of a 3d shape.
- If you look at the pic that Arroyo posted, you can see the word "TOP" on the part so you know which way to install it.

Seems like you could cut it really easily from urethane sheet stock. I have a little desktop CNC that would make quick work of it.
Milling could be a viable approach, but the taper would make laser cutting a non-starter for most desktop CNCs.

Does anyone want to measure some parts for me?
You're more likely to get a response if you ask in the related thread mentioned earlier -- there are more eyes in Main than here in B/S/T.   :cheers:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,159989.0.html


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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #68 on: February 01, 2022, 06:16:44 pm »
FWIW. I disassembled and measured a Tron to reproduce these parts.

For the bumper, you'll want to print from the hardest flexible filament you can find,  e.g. Ninja Flex Shore 95A.
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5228170

For the wear plate, use a high infill setting and any PLA or ABS.
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5228285

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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #69 on: February 02, 2022, 06:55:14 am »
Those models look good, brickpolisher.   :cheers:

Please consider adding a "TOP" marking on the bumper restrictor and a comment in the Thingiverse description reminding the user to install it right side up.


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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #70 on: February 02, 2022, 01:47:08 pm »
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Yes there are . . . and I haven't seen any with the right properties for this application.
- Ninjaflex is way too flexible and wears too easily.
- TPU is too flexible and wears too easily.

Even if you find a suitable exotic filament that works in your printer you'll need the right settings to get the best possible results.

Ninja's original stuff was like soft like a rubber band. But they have some stuff that's Shore 95A now, and that's somewhere around a shopping cart wheel as flex goes.

Doesn't need to last 40 years if you can just print them :) I ordered a couple from Sculpteo and Craftcloud and will report back!


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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #71 on: February 02, 2022, 01:51:08 pm »
I just completed the straight joystick as well, it's a 3D model. But there's a PDF with a drawing. You could make this from a tube on a drill press.
You know... just in case anyone wants to take a shot at straightening their Happ flight sticks. I'm going to use this to convert a vintage Xenophobe to Tron stick.
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5229395

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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #72 on: February 03, 2022, 03:04:48 pm »
LOL- You know, I'm trying to Not spend more $$ I don't have on a 3d printer...Thanks a hellofalot....

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Re: DOT/Xenophobe to Tron Joystick conversion
« Reply #73 on: February 08, 2022, 11:01:11 pm »
Download my STL design and have Sculpteo print it in Multijet TPU for $16. Just got one and it looks cool and works great!