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Joystick Jerk:

--- Quote from: jbox on September 08, 2007, 07:55:54 am ---Just curious - when was the last time you heard of a receipt smashing into someone else's shopping bag and killing four people?  ::)

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That's the point. It's not about actual drunken people, it's about those same people that are perfectly sober but still refuse a breathalyser test because they're standing up for their rights. If you've done nothing wrong, just go along with it so you can get along with your life. Same with receipts; if you've done nothing wrong, produce your receipt and be on your way in a few seconds rather than stand up for your rights and waste a few hours.

shmokes:
Yes, and if you have nothing to hide, why not let police search your home without a warrant.  And while we're at it, why forbid bible study in public schools?  I mean, who can argue with the ten commandments.  And why complain if they add prayer to it?  Just sit there and don't join in.  Tune it out, if you want.  It's only a couple minutes per day of your life.  And how important, really, is the second amendment these days?  I mean, back then there were countries that could potentially invade and defeat us.  And god knows, if you went to war you were gonna bring your own gun.  Not to mention that many people actually had to hunt and kill their own game to survive.  Given the might of todays army, is it really that big a deal if we can't buy guns anymore?  And what about wiretaps?  Hell, you don't even know they're there.  They don't inconvenience you in the slightest little bit.  If you have nothing to hide, after all, if you aren't a criminal, I see no reason to oppose warrantless wiretaps.   ::)

You stand up for your rights, Joystick Jerk, because your rights are a pain in the ass for other people, like the police and Circuit City.  Regardless of where the line is drawn, those people will ALWAYS be pushing at it, trying to encroach on them just a little bit.  That line will ALWAYS be just a little bit unreasonable to the people that would abridge those rights for their own convenience or benefit.  They will always be trying to convince everyone that the line needs to be pushed back, just the tiniest bit.  But, those bits add up.  When searching of bags at the CC door becomes common place and universally acceptable, they will not stop and say that the line is finally drawn in the right place.  There will still be shoplifting to stop, and if they could just check your pockets, purses, and other bags, they sure could put a dent in the problem.  It's not that big of a hassle, after all, and there is a genuine public need to reduce crime.

You can bet that Circuit City isn't going to watch me violate their rights in the smallest way and let it go.  They're not going to see me shoplifting a $5 clearance DVD and say, "You know what . . . is it really worth the hassle for $5?  I mean, the cost of man-hours alone just in paperwork is going to be more than the DVD is even worth.  Let's just let this one go."  Because you know what I'm going to do if I find out I can get away with stealing a $5 DVD from Circuit City?  I'm going to see if I can make off with a $10 DVD.  Then maybe a game.  Or maybe I'll just keep stealing $5 DVDs over and over again.  The point is, if Circuit City sleeps on their rights, their rights will be taken away from them.  Same as mine.




edit: fixed a sentence that made no sense.

Joystick Jerk:

--- Quote from: shmokes on September 08, 2007, 07:36:26 pm ---Yes, and if you have nothing to hide, why not let police search your home without a warrant.  And while we're at it, why forbid bible study in public schools?  I mean, who can argue with the ten commandments.  And why complain if they add prayer to it?  Just sit there and don't join in.  Tune it out, if you want.  It's only a couple minutes per day of your life.  And how important, really, is the second amendment these days?  I mean, back then there were countries that could potentially invade and defeat us.  And god knows, if you went to war you were gonna bring your own gun.  Not to mention that many people actually had to hunt and kill their own game to survive.  Given the might of todays army, is it really that big a deal if we can't buy guns anymore?  And what about wiretaps?  Hell, you don't even know they're there.  They don't inconvenience you in the slightest little bit.  If you have nothing to hide, after all, if you aren't a criminal, I see no reason to oppose warrantless wiretaps.   ::)

You stand up for your rights, Joystick Jerk, because your rights are a pain in the ass for other people, like the police and Circuit City.  Regardless of where the line is drawn, those people will ALWAYS be pushing at it, trying to encroach on them just a little bit.  That line will ALWAYS be just a little bit unreasonable to the people that would abridge those rights for their own convenience or benefit.  They will always be trying to convince everyone that the line needs to be pushed back, just the tiniest bit.  But, those bits add up.  When searching of bags at the CC door becomes common place and universally acceptable, they will stop push further.  There will still be shoplifting to stop, and if they could just check your pockets, purses, and other bags, they sure could put a dent in the problem.  It's not that big of a hassle, after all, and there is a genuine public need to reduce crime.

You can bet that Circuit City isn't going to watch me violate their rights in the smallest way and let it go.  They're not going to see me shoplifting a $5 clearance DVD and say, "You know what . . . is it really worth the hassle for $5?  I mean, the cost of man-hours alone just in paperwork is going to be more than the DVD is even worth.  Let's just let this one go."  Because you know what I'm going to do if I find out I can get away with stealing a $5 DVD from Circuit City?  I'm going to see if I can make off with a $10 DVD.  Then maybe a game.  Or maybe I'll just keep stealing $5 DVDs over and over again.  The point is, if Circuit City sleeps on their rights, their rights will be taken away from them.  Same as mine.

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... meh...

If all that stuff happens, oh well. I'll find new ways to avoid the hassle.

SavannahLion:
To put it a little less emotionally.

In the U.S. Many people in positions of authority (police, politicians, Bush, etc) and those who wield measured authority (stores in this case) have figured long ago that blatantly knocking around rights is going to get people pissed off. Instead they utilize a number of tactics to gradually shave off those rights.

To show an example. Sometime in the late 70's, very early 80's, The Legislation in my state attempted to pass a universal motorcycle helmet law. It was met with vicious opposition. ALL of the opposition centered around the freedom of choice. The right to choose whether one should put their own life in their own hands by wearing a helmet or not. The bill failed.

The next year or two, a new bill made its way through the Legislation. This time, the law was severely modified to apply only to those under the age of 18. The very group that legally have no right to make choices. The bill again met opposition, mostly from those who recognized the bill for what it was. But this time, the opposition was weaker. The bill was tugging at peoples instinct to protect their own children and the very same people who opposed the bill last time, were agreeing with the new bill this time. The bill passed.

Fast forward to 1992. A new bill made its way through Legislation, almost identical to the original bill that was shot down. All adults were to be required to wear helmets. But something interesting happened with this new bill. Despite the similar opposition from the public, the opposition were no longer the majority. The bill, despite protests, made it through. What happened? Many of the motorcycle riders from 10 years before were retiring or had sold off their motorcycles. Those kids who were forced to wear helmets then were now the majority adults.

The fact this law is centered around a persons individual safety isn't the point. Whether or not I agree with the motorcycle helmet law isn't the point either. I'm using the law as an example of the specific tactic used by law makers to spoon feed the masses restrictive laws that were undesirable in their entirety. There are several laws on the books that were introduced piecemeal because the original didn't sit well with the population.

The fact that people like shmokes is arguing the validity of receipt checking is good. It means that there's a problem with it and someone is unhappy with it. The day we all stop arguing about it means we've accepted this practice and companies can move on to the next restrictive practice.

tommy:

--- Quote from: Joystick Jerk on September 09, 2007, 05:37:03 am ---
--- Quote from: shmokes on September 08, 2007, 07:36:26 pm ---Yes, and if you have nothing to hide, why not let police search your home without a warrant.  And while we're at it, why forbid bible study in public schools?  I mean, who can argue with the ten commandments.  And why complain if they add prayer to it?  Just sit there and don't join in.  Tune it out, if you want.  It's only a couple minutes per day of your life.  And how important, really, is the second amendment these days?  I mean, back then there were countries that could potentially invade and defeat us.  And god knows, if you went to war you were gonna bring your own gun.  Not to mention that many people actually had to hunt and kill their own game to survive.  Given the might of todays army, is it really that big a deal if we can't buy guns anymore?  And what about wiretaps?  Hell, you don't even know they're there.  They don't inconvenience you in the slightest little bit.  If you have nothing to hide, after all, if you aren't a criminal, I see no reason to oppose warrantless wiretaps.   ::)

You stand up for your rights, Joystick Jerk, because your rights are a pain in the ass for other people, like the police and Circuit City.  Regardless of where the line is drawn, those people will ALWAYS be pushing at it, trying to encroach on them just a little bit.  That line will ALWAYS be just a little bit unreasonable to the people that would abridge those rights for their own convenience or benefit.  They will always be trying to convince everyone that the line needs to be pushed back, just the tiniest bit.  But, those bits add up.  When searching of bags at the CC door becomes common place and universally acceptable, they will stop push further.  There will still be shoplifting to stop, and if they could just check your pockets, purses, and other bags, they sure could put a dent in the problem.  It's not that big of a hassle, after all, and there is a genuine public need to reduce crime.

You can bet that Circuit City isn't going to watch me violate their rights in the smallest way and let it go.  They're not going to see me shoplifting a $5 clearance DVD and say, "You know what . . . is it really worth the hassle for $5?  I mean, the cost of man-hours alone just in paperwork is going to be more than the DVD is even worth.  Let's just let this one go."  Because you know what I'm going to do if I find out I can get away with stealing a $5 DVD from Circuit City?  I'm going to see if I can make off with a $10 DVD.  Then maybe a game.  Or maybe I'll just keep stealing $5 DVDs over and over again.  The point is, if Circuit City sleeps on their rights, their rights will be taken away from them.  Same as mine.

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... meh...

If all that stuff happens, oh well. I'll find new ways to avoid the hassle.

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Typical ridiculous response. :dizzy:

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