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tommy:
It's not about the random guy who is following orders, it's about the company thinking they have the right to do what they are doing and making him do what he's doing. I wonder what else you are willing to let some guy do to you at the door as you leave.

Joystick Jerk:

--- Quote from: tommy on September 08, 2007, 03:41:24 am ---Good thing that "one" lady never let it go to avoid a hassle when she was asked to sit in the back of the bus. Who knows what might have changed, or not changed if that never happend. I don't think she knew she was writing history and it must have seemed like a very silly thing to do at the time with really nothing good to come of it, besides feeling better about herself.

--- End quote ---

Christ, maybe compare it to civil rights if they were requiring everyone leaving the store to submit to cavity searches, but until then, reaching into my bag and producing a piece of paper doesn't bother me at all. And yes, it is worth doing this a thousand times over to avoid a hassle.

This is like those nobs that exercise their right to refuse a breathalyser test. Sure they're exercising a right they have, but the difference is they get taken down to the station and waste 6 hours while the officers perform due diligence, and I get to go on my way and get on with my life. Letting things like this slide is fine, as it's not going to lead to police executing people on the side of the road for possible drunkenness. Civil rights aren't all black and white, where if you don't uphold every single one then society slides into chaos. It's all shades of grey.

jbox:
Just curious - when was the last time you heard of a receipt smashing into someone else's shopping bag and killing four people?  ::)

shmokes:
Texas, you seem to be missing the point.  Nobody is angry at the guy at the door.  He is, of course, just doing the menial job given to him by his boss.  It's the boss who we're unhappy with, of course.  And as far as I can tell, not a single person here has a problem with people who voluntarily cooperate with the searches.  If the store wants to institute a policy of asking every customer to submit to such a limited, unwarranted search, so long as they are on the up-and-up about it and don't try to make people feel like it's a requirement, then by all means . . . sympathize with the store-owner's plight.  Cooperate in the fight to reduce shrinkage, and maybe in your own way you're helping reduce prices as well.

There is NOTHING WRONG WITH SUBMITTING TO THE SEARCH.  But that doesn't change the fact that the store doesn't (or shouldn't) have a de facto right to search people's private property without a warrant or at the very ---smurfing--- least reasonable suspicion.  Seriously dude, how can you have a problem with that proposition.  How can it possibly seem wrong to you to have a rule that your person or private belongings cannot be searched without a warrant or probable cause.  Doesn't that just seem like an obvious truism?

Nobody is saying that they shouldn't be able to ask you to submit to a search.  We are saying that, as a matter of the most basic civil rights, and yes Joystick Jerk, it is a civil rights issue, nobody should be able to force you to have your person or personal property searched without a warrant and probable cause or granting exigent circumstances at least probable cause.

Surely you can see that's a reasonable position.  I mean, if you say that the public need to curtail shoplifting simply outweighs your personal privacy rights, that's reasonable.  I disagree with you.  I put a great deal of value on the 4th Amendment and I don't think this practice is anywhere near effective enough to justify it.  But the position is at least reasonable.  Surely you can see the reverse.

shmokes:

--- Quote from: jbox on September 08, 2007, 07:55:54 am ---Just curious - when was the last time you heard of a receipt smashing into someone else's shopping bag and killing four people?  ::)

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A few acquaintances of mine in high school met their end in that way.  I wasn't really close to them, but I knew them and saw them daily so it was still pretty shocking and left me with a feeling of emptiness for a few weeks.  I think most the kids in the school felt pretty anxious about going shopping for quite a while after that.

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