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genesim:
Perhaps your "always" generalization should have been applied to actually reading my post in its entirety especially since you have admitted to be in error.

"If there is bonafide shill bidding, that is another problem.."

Though my outlook of the situation wasn't that far off.    Shill bidding would be to drive the price up not to actually win the item!    It could be to drive the other buyer away...but at that price?  I don't think so.   

This is more of a case of being a "victim" to what has happened and you want to point fingers.

As for sniping being a "gay" term, however you feel, it is the perfect way to get an item for the cheapest price. 

Now a "sucker" is one who would get into a bidding war and help drive up the price of something they want to purchase?   Rule #1, never show your cards till you are ready to win.

Heed the advice and learn from it.    A fool is someone who has been told and continues the self defeating behavior...even if they are willing to pay "a few more dollars".


--- Quote from: Malenko ---At no time did I say I hated ebay for sniping,
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And at no time did I ever say you did.
Malenko:

--- Quote from: genesim on September 04, 2007, 10:38:26 am --- :blah:  :blah:  :blah:   :blah:   :blah:   :blah:   :blah:   :blah:   :blah:

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If the discussion is about shill and shield bidding, why bring up sniping? You have 3 paragraphs off topic then close it off with the 1 sentence answer your initial post should have been.Also shill bidding is used to ensure the seller doesn't have to sell the item, if for example they posted the auction as no reserve, but didn't get the amount they wanted.

Whats so self defeating about setting a limit for myself? Thats called self control and its a great way to stay out of debt. Also the amount I'm willing to pay has numerous variables, if I get outbid on a different item, then my budget for the first item has increased. I never claimed to be a victim, but my initial thought of being shilled/shielded weren't without merit, it just so happen that THIS time it was legit. I never pointed fingers, I simply asked "This guy has to be shield bidding, doesn't he?"

Real self defeating behavior is turning every discussion thread into an argument. Please regress from inferring that I am a fool, you do it far too frequently to far too many people for it to hold any merit. 
CheffoJeffo:
* CheffoJeffo hates shield/shill bidding but accepts that it happens, including at live auctions.
Sadly, it has become the price of admission to auction scenarios, particularly in this hobby. Alternative is not to bid.

* CheffoJeffo snipes if he really wants to win the auction and keep the price down.
And that's all I have to say about that.

Except that shill bidders often do intend to win the auction if a satisfactory price has not been met ... happens all of the time, both in real life and on eBay.

EDIT: for bad me-fu
shardian:
I don't have a problem with sniping. If I am able to snipe then cool for me. If another person tried to outsnipe me, well that sucks for me but at least he paid alot more than he wanted. ;D

The only bad thing that can come out of sniping is if it happened alot AND resulted in ALOT of things selling for way under value. The consequences would be that people would stop listing their stuff on ebay.
ahofle:
If a seller uses another account (or friend) to shill bid, don't they end up paying ebay the fees/percentage of the sale for nothing basically?
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