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--- Quote from: whatzcrackn on September 06, 2007, 10:35:58 am ---Thx for taking the thread hostage! :cheers: I am learning a lot!! --- End quote --- I get paid to know this stuff in my job, I'm just trying to pass a little knowledge to others, glad you find it useful. --- Quote from: xmenxmen on September 06, 2007, 11:50:15 am ---I found it quite crazy to make those kind of recommendation for a few games that don't really play well yet. And once you take those 2 to 5 games all the list, there's really no games that will need more than a Penium 4 3g, dual core or single. I too have a system similar to this and fully overclock, but do I even thing about using it for mame, NOT. It's a system I use for pc games, video encoding and heavy photoshop. Not trying to dismiss anything here, but these type of recommend is just way too much. --- End quote --- I realise that for a lot of people an overclocked Core 2 Duo is extreme and I'm not saying everyone has to run out and buy this kind of setup now, I'm trying to show people where the future of M.A.M.E. PCs are going. A lot of people, myself included run mame on their day to day system, so having a high spec PC will only benefit them in day to day computing. We're talking about less than $400usd for CPU, Motherboard, RAM, and heatsink to safely hit 3.6ghz with a Core 2 Duo, the budget for the parts I need to build a two player desktop M.A.M.E. controller comes to more., so it's all relative. --- Quote from: solderguy1 on September 06, 2007, 05:43:21 pm ---Thanks for the info, this thread really has me torn now. Part of me want to spend about $350 for an ebay P4 3.0 Gx270 plus an ArcadeVGA2, which should a real easy turnkey solution (eight USB ports!). The other part wants to spend much more cash for a future-proof overclocked gaming PC type setup, just for the experience and satisfaction of building it. --- End quote --- It all comes down to your budget, if your looking at getting a ArcadeVGA2 I'm guessing this is going in a Cab, now if you know this is going to get some real use, then it may be worth the stretch to go the Core 2 Duo route, otherwise it may be a bit much for a dedicated M.A.M.E. system. --- Quote from: mlalena on September 06, 2007, 06:13:06 pm ---Taz, I was debating if the CPU difference of a P4 3.0 GHz to 3.6 GHz was worth the price vs. getting a newer Core 2 processor with the faster FSB and faster RAM and more L1/L2 cache. --- End quote --- Basically the P4 has been dead in the water since the release of the Athlon64 socket 939, the Prescott with all it's extra cache was a Band-Aid fix for the fact that the P4 way being choked by the bottle neck of it's 800fsb & insanely high Multipliers, the Pentium D (dual core) were an even more crazy Band-Aid fix to fight the release of the Athlon64 X2, how Intel managed to sell so many is beyond me. With the Core 2 Duo Intel got there act together in a big way. --- Quote from: mlalena on September 06, 2007, 06:13:06 pm ---I've also heard that the Core 2 processors are easier to overclock. $183 for a Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 2.66GHz 1333FSB which Toms Hardware pushed past 4GHz. Now its time to research what can be easily overclocked without without all the complicated water cooling. --- End quote --- The Core 2 Duo is extremely overclockable, all the overclocks for the M.A.M.E. benchmarks were don't with the stock Heatsink fan, and a desk fan for help at 3.6ghz. but you need the make sure you get the right hardware to make it work, Power Supply is a big one doesn't need to be more that 450w for a basic setup, just need to be good. The E6750 normal overclock to the 3.6 - 3.8ghz range with ease on air cooling, water is really needed beyond this 3.8ghz it seams, The E6850 are generally better binned and overclock to the 3.8-4.2 range on air, 4ghz being the max the average guy is likely to ever see on air. (not everyone will get the same results with the same setup when it comes to overclocking) The "Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme" plus a good 120mm fan is the best easy to find air cooler on the market currently, and you can always slap a 120x120x38mm fan on there if you really want to move some air and don't mind the noise. >:D I may build a Cab mid next year budget allowing, with a Phase change Cooled Core 2 Duo @ 4.5-5.0ghz but that's a whole other story. >:D --- Quote from: u_rebelscum on September 06, 2007, 06:16:31 pm ---The best speed per core and per GHz is the core 2, whether it's dual, quad or solo. And since quad costs $$$ more, and solo is only for OEM laptops, it leaves the duo if you want the fastest CPU for mame. --- End quote --- Now if only Intel would make a 45nm 2mb Cache Core 2 solo @5ghz with a 1333fsb and then we would be really rocking, but it's not going to happen. :( --- Quote from: u_rebelscum on September 06, 2007, 06:16:31 pm ---They weren't slow because they had CHDs; see propcycle speed benchmark by taz-nz. It's just that most CHD games had more advanced hardware than most non-chd games. --- End quote --- Most of the really slow to emulate game in mame currently are games that ran in the Arcade on 3DFX hardware, and have 2 or more GPUs and CPUs to emulate. --- Quote from: u_rebelscum on September 06, 2007, 06:16:31 pm ---As you can see, the C2D has about twice the FPS/GHz than P4 (Gauntlet the expection for the overclock speeds). And it's NOT because it's dual core. (taz-nz, do you have a qual core to compare to, to show this? ;) ) The AMD chip has a highe FPS/GHz than the P4 by about 50%, but not nearly as high as the C2D, and not as constant as C2D vs P4. --- End quote --- Sorry no Quad Core at hand, I did build a couple at work for review purposes before I when on holiday, if they haven't been return and stripped when I get back I see If I can get some numbers off the 3.6ghz overclocked Q6600. But they will probably be no better, possible worse than the Core 2 Duo figures, only one of Cores in the Core 2 Duo is really being used by M.A.M.E. the other is sitting at like 2% running system tasks in the back ground, I would expect the Quad core to be the same, just with the 3 spare Cores playing hot potato with the system tasks. I also have a couple of the unleased AMD Opteron 2340 quad core sitting in the top draw of my desk at work, that the boss wants me to build a display machine around, they could give some interesting number with all their new core tweaks. --- Quote from: u_rebelscum on September 06, 2007, 06:16:31 pm ---But as you and others said: --- Quote from: Kangum ---it depends what you wanna run. as was stressed before you wont be able to run everything even with top rate machine released yesterday. --- End quote --- Truth that. --- End quote --- Yep there is always going to be something that need more CPU power, the only problem is with the trend towards multi-core CPUs there are game that will never be playable on M.A.M.E. while it's still single threaded. |
| Zeppo:
Ok, here's a different type of question: What game takes the most power to run? At work we are about to free up a big server temporarily. Boss told me I could put mame on it for a bit and check it out before we wipe it for something else. |
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