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xmenxmen:

I found it quite crazy to make those kind of recommendation for a few games that don't really play well yet.  And once you take those 2 to 5 games all the list, there's really no games that will need more than a Penium 4 3g, dual core or single. 

I too have a system similar to this and fully overclock, but do I even thing about using it for mame, NOT.  It's a system I use for pc games, video encoding and heavy photoshop.

Not trying to dismiss anything here, but these type of recommend is just way too much.

ddaniels:

Someone posted earlier about Dell's having a problem with the arcadevga.  I'm using a Dell Optiplex Gx270 and the AGP version of the arcadevga with no problems whatsoever.

solderguy1:


--- Quote from: ddaniels on September 06, 2007, 12:40:06 pm ---Someone posted earlier about Dell's having a problem with the arcadevga.  I'm using a Dell Optiplex Gx270 and the AGP version of the arcadevga with no problems whatsoever.

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Thanks for the info,  this thread really has me torn now.  Part of me want to spend about $350 for an ebay P4 3.0 Gx270 plus an ArcadeVGA2, which should a real easy turnkey solution (eight USB ports!).

The other part wants to spend much more cash for a future-proof overclocked gaming PC type setup, just for the experience and satisfaction of building it.

mlalena:

Taz,
Thanks for a great post. I've been shopping PC prices to make a decision, and was wondering what to go with. This is a great help.

I was debating if the CPU difference of a P4 3.0 GHz to 3.6 GHz  was worth the price vs. getting a newer Core 2 processor with the faster FSB and faster RAM and more L1/L2 cache.

I figured that since all graphics processing was on the CPU, that bus and RAM speed was more important than an extra .6 GHz, and this proves it. I've also heard that the Core 2 processors are easier to overclock.

$183 for a Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 2.66GHz 1333FSB which Toms Hardware pushed past 4GHz.

Now its time to research what can be easily overclocked without without all the complicated water cooling.

u_rebelscum:


--- Quote from: Gutshot on September 05, 2007, 04:48:38 pm ---Dual core seems a bit overkill at this point, everything i have read says single core at fastest clock speed is best with a good bit of memory.

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Dual core does not make mame slower, so there is no speed reason of going single core instead of dual.  The only reason is money. 
Add that it's NOT clock speed, but total speed that matters (see below). 
The best speed per core and per GHz is the core 2, whether it's dual, quad or solo.  And since quad costs $$$ more, and solo is only for OEM laptops, it leaves the duo if you want the fastest CPU for mame.



--- Quote from: Kangum on September 05, 2007, 09:11:22 pm ---my 1.8 ghz ran most of the 106 mame romset without issues. the only problem roms were the ridiculious chd roms that wouldnt run on a 9 ghz machine anyway.
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They weren't slow because they had CHDs; see propcycle speed benchmark by taz-nz.  It's just that most CHD games had more advanced hardware than most non-chd games.



--- Quote from: taz-nz on September 06, 2007, 05:17:29 am ---...I spent the better part of 8 hours today benchmarking a group of performance hungry M.A.M.E. Roms....
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Thanks taz-nz!  Another way to look at the info is to calculate FPS / GHz.  If the slow down is only due to the CPU, overclocking won't change the FPS/GHz.  If it was the PC video or sound card or something else, overclocking will have significantly lower FPS/GHz values.

BlitzCarnevilCalspeedCrusnusaGauntletMacePropcyclXevi3dgC2D (2.13ghz)15.17435.87310.56332.6249.27216.86410.42744.014C2D (3.20ghz)15.05635.26311.39732.9005.79116.03810.33843.872C2D (3.60ghz)14.95635.18210.44432.7895.77515.91710.32543.747P4C (3.00ghz)7.07316.1804.03316.3105.0477.7334.90323.057P4C (3.50ghz)7.07416.3404.86016.3147.4434.74622.883AX2 (2.20ghz)11.73225.2009.81821.7647.60012.8327.85024.591
As you can see, the C2D has about twice the FPS/GHz than P4 (Gauntlet the expection for the overclock speeds).  And it's NOT because it's dual core.  (taz-nz, do you have a qual core to compare to, to show this? ;) )  The AMD chip has a highe FPS/GHz than the P4 by about 50%, but not nearly as high as the C2D, and not as constant as C2D vs P4.

But as you and others said:

--- Quote from: Kangum ---it depends what you wanna run. as was stressed before you wont be able to run everything even with top rate machine released yesterday.

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Truth that.

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