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Knievel's Evolution
« on: August 25, 2007, 06:26:58 pm »

Thought I'd share my latest cabinet design, calling it the Evolution.
It is what my various cabinet designs have evolved into, to this point anyway.

I started out with the Dynamo-inspired Neon Mame cabinet, had a few variations of that one, then joined the 'LCD movement' with the slim Woody design.

So what have I ended up with? A slim LCD monitor cabinet that incorporates the curves and design elements I liked on the Neon one, without the size and weight.

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2007, 06:37:41 pm »
Wow.   Just when you think the mark has been set there is a cab that sets a new one.   Great looking cab with classic lines.   Just when I thought your woody was the mark you have provided an even better example.

 :applaud: :applaud: :applaud:

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2007, 07:12:16 pm »
Really, really sweet. Nice matching barstools too, are those Cornchip's lighted bat tops? They look awesome!
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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2007, 07:30:51 pm »
If thats a blue power cord then that ROCKS!


Also, please note that at the time of this posting this is Knievel's post number SIX,SIX,SIX.  I'm just sayin'...

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2007, 07:54:00 pm »
Lovely job as always. I dont know that I'm digging the lighted sticks though. Looks like a little too much bling for my taste.

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2007, 07:58:33 pm »
 :o :dizzy: :applaud: :notworthy: :cheers:

Another fantastic job !!!! i will love to play a few round on it  :P
very nice as usual  ;)

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2007, 09:18:33 pm »
I love those lit bat handles!...nice job all around.  :cheers:
Seriously. Will it fit in my basement or what?

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2007, 10:00:59 pm »
That shot with the cab in the corner gives the illusion of a full size cab to me but its not. really cool. is it like that in person. when you look at it in the corner does it kinda look like a full size cab.

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2007, 11:35:26 pm »
Thanks guys :) real happy with how the cabinet turned out.

Yes those are Cornchip's handles, he does really nice work. I should mention they are not as harsh as they appear in the pics..and not as white. Just a nice blue glow.

Tim don't tell me YOUR powercord isn't color coordinated??

Kangum I assume you mean it looks like a full-depth cabinet? as the height is full-size.
I guess it does look deeper when it's in the corner. It's really not all that thin to start with though, the side panels are about 24" deep. 6" deeper than the Woody cabinet.

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2007, 11:55:26 pm »
Looking good knievel!

Quick question, how is the the cab (and woody) stability?
Do you have to "fix" them on the wall, or are they already balanced to handle rough play without risk of falling down?

Jay  :cheers:

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2007, 06:31:58 am »
Dude, that is awesome, well done  :notworthy:

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2007, 08:02:56 am »
That's really well done. Such a professional finish.

Those lit handles and track ball look really cool. Why didn't you go for lit buttons?
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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2007, 09:04:12 am »
As always, a superlative example or the art --I really like the added depth.

As for stability, I expect that you see even better stability here that you did with the Woody.

[Certainly more stable that my new top-heavy slot project that my wife knocked over last night while trying to be helpful]

With something that beautiful through, I would throw a bag of sand in the bottom just in case ...

Nicely done!

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2007, 12:19:20 pm »
I really like this cabinet, so much in fact that it will serve as my inspiration for my first MAME cabinet project :)

Could you share the dimensions of this cab (screen diameter, cab width, cp width, cp height from floor)?

Also, like earlier replies, I'm wondering how stable it is, and if you took any special measures to make sure it won't topple over when seriously played?

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« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2007, 01:11:32 pm »
I'd imagine that a lot of what makes the average cabinet top heavy is the monitor.  With an LCD at the top and a sub woofer, CPU, base panel, etc.  I bet that this style is better balanced than most.

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2007, 10:03:02 pm »
You've done it .... again!   After seeing this I think I'm going to tweak my current design a little (which was based on the Woody).  Of course you'll probably build 3 more cabs before I get started on my next one...  I really love this design and it's fun to see it really evolve over the course of several cabinets...

One small comment which no sane person would ever notice - in the next cab you build in this style I'd make the speaker panel (beneath the marquee) parallel to the bottom of the arm that extends to hold the CP.  They look like they are at two different (but close) angles.  I'd keep the speaker panel the same and just change the angle of the CP arm.  I'm probably crazy.

Very nice job!   :cheers:

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2007, 11:49:06 pm »
Thank-you, thank-you, thank-you!  :)

Yea no lit buttons on this one. The lighted joys actually cast a nice blue glow over the whole CP so I think it would be overkill. To tell you the truth I've kind of gone full circle with the whole lighting thing, been going with unlit stuff on my own machines lately.

As for the stability Timoe nailed it on the head. By using the LCD monitor, all the weight is really in the bottom half. Makes for a very stable machine. I did have the whole balance thing in mind as I designed the cabinet, taking into account the CP box overhang, etc.

Javeryh I think I know what you are saying, yes those 2 angles are very close. Would be very easy to match them up, maybe I will give the CP arm on my template a trim.  ;)

Yes I will post some dimensions here for you when I get a chance. What I'm actually considering doing is making this cabinet style my Lusid-type offering. His plans inspired piles of people to build cabinets and I think it would be cool to do that.

I believe LCD-based machines will be the future of this hobby for a number of reasons (WAF being #1 :D) and the community could use a set of plans for this type of cabinet.

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2007, 02:20:38 am »
The light really makes the t-molding pop.  I almost looks back-lit.

I believe LCD-based machines will be the future of this hobby for a number of reasons (WAF being #1 :D).
I'm on my second LCD cab.  They are so much easier to work with.  The significant weight difference and increased handling safety makes it worth the difference in cost over a CRT.

Great cab.

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« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2007, 03:21:20 am »


I believe LCD-based machines will be the future of this hobby for a number of reasons (WAF being #1 :D) and the community could use a set of plans for this type of cabinet.


I agree!

Awesome, awesome design. This will inspire lots of other cabs, I'm sure.

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« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2007, 10:29:20 am »

Thanks. Yea the LCD's I have been using are 20" 4:3 Acers.
They are $230 Canadian so I'm guessing they'd be around $200 US. A lot of screen for the money.

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2007, 01:12:54 pm »
A profile like this will open the market to more people due to the amount of space it takes up.  It will fit in a lot more places.  I just wish they would keep the 4:3 format in the larger monitors instead of going to the wide screen versions.  Overall a very nicely done cab Knievel.  Of course it is what you do best. ;D

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« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2007, 01:39:29 pm »
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Yes I will post some dimensions here for you when I get a chance. What I'm actually considering doing is making this cabinet style my Lusid-type offering. His plans inspired piles of people to build cabinets and I think it would be cool to do that.

Now that would be really awesome :)

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2007, 01:53:12 pm »
Great stuff dude

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2007, 02:08:03 pm »
another HIT frm the legendary knievel!


i agree on the size! very cool

i just wish i culd get the EXACT same look of an old ega/cga on an lcd display ... something about those huge rgb dots i love and dnt recognize when simlated using png image overlay effects...

funny thing is, i am 99 percent sure that a good DirectX pixel shader programmer could simulate any monitor efffect... without any hit on cpu performance (all hardware code on the gpu)... i wonder if the advancemame guys are thinking about that...

what do you do to tweak the pixel/lines aspect on these lcd cabs?

again very cool!

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2007, 09:34:20 pm »
Kneivel,

Nice job!  As always, a very sharp design and the build quality looks superb!

Let me offer some constructive criticism.  Or more accurately, just a differing view on the LCD and slim cabinet.  I'm not a fan of either.

1) Slim cabinets: To me, they just appear badly proportioned.  Is 6" of available depth really keeping people from building or owning arcade cabinets?  I can't imagine that affecting many people.  Most of us have plenty of room for several games.  I'm sure the weight is a little less, but from the cabinet design alone, the difference would be pretty minimal.  Using 5/8" ply versus MDF in 5/8 or 3/4 is probably a more significant weight difference.  I don't see the slim cabinet as much of advantage, if any at all.  Even with an LCD monitor and as many parts in the bottom as possible, I still see the design as a tipping liability, versus traditional cabinets (most of which have no tipping tendency).

2) LCD displays: Weight savings, sure.  Even with the price of LCD's falling though, it's hard to get a display size comparable to many CRT's (25-29" tubes).  Larger display size makes the viewing angle better for multiple players (further distance from monitor+larger display=smaller angle, preferable with any display type).  Size is only one consideration, and in a more classic styled cabinet (like a 19" vert) the difference in size is a non-issue.  I could go into the details of why I don't like their appearance, but it's sufficient to say that LCD's don't have an arcade-authentic look.

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2007, 11:12:56 pm »
Whoa, buzz-kill. :P Wade I can tell you that many people do see the slim cabinet size as an advantage, the goal here was to make it slim but still retro-arcade like. So you think the cabinet above looks 'badly proportioned'? That really bothers me, considering the time I spent designing it. As for being tippy, it isn't, as I said already.

Anyways, thanks again to everyone.

Artifact I have to say I tried the real arcade monitor route in the beginning and wasn't impressed. I much prefer the sharpness and detail of a PC monitor, I guess I'm just weird? Anyway I have used 21" PC monitors in all my machines and now I'm using the 20" LCD monitors. As for recreating scan-lines I'm not into it but yea, why can't they do that? Seems like it should be an easy thing.

When you are finished your cabinet, coming along nicely by the way ;), I wonder if you would be interested in doing some Sketchup drawings of the Evolution for me?
You seem to have mastered the program and even with your tutorials I'm having a slow time of it.

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2007, 11:38:52 pm »
knieval, bravo, the control panel is awesome. I have not seen your cab before, but it is sweet. You really should try a complete wall mount, and get it even thinner. I think the design is great. I love MAME, but I believe the new designs are what I like best. Make my games old, but make my design new please! My mame shuei cabinet will surely draw a ton of rock throwers if wade has that much criticism for your beautiful work. To each his own as they say! Great work!

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #27 on: August 28, 2007, 12:10:38 am »

Thanks. Yea the LCD's I have been using are 20" 4:3 Acers.
They are $230 Canadian so I'm guessing they'd be around $200 US. A lot of screen for the money.
I just picked up a new 19" Viewsonic for $145 US delivered off EBay.  Just think what they will cost next year.

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« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2007, 01:45:13 am »
Kneivel,

Nice job!  As always, a very sharp design and the build quality looks superb!

Let me offer some constructive criticism.  Or more accurately, just a differing view on the LCD and slim cabinet.  I'm not a fan of either.

1) Slim cabinets: To me, they just appear badly proportioned.  Is 6" of available depth really keeping people from building or owning arcade cabinets?  I can't imagine that affecting many people.  Most of us have plenty of room for several games.  I'm sure the weight is a little less, but from the cabinet design alone, the difference would be pretty minimal.  Using 5/8" ply versus MDF in 5/8 or 3/4 is probably a more significant weight difference.  I don't see the slim cabinet as much of advantage, if any at all.  Even with an LCD monitor and as many parts in the bottom as possible, I still see the design as a tipping liability, versus traditional cabinets (most of which have no tipping tendency).

2) LCD displays: Weight savings, sure.  Even with the price of LCD's falling though, it's hard to get a display size comparable to many CRT's (25-29" tubes).  Larger display size makes the viewing angle better for multiple players (further distance from monitor+larger display=smaller angle, preferable with any display type).  Size is only one consideration, and in a more classic styled cabinet (like a 19" vert) the difference in size is a non-issue.  I could go into the details of why I don't like their appearance, but it's sufficient to say that LCD's don't have an arcade-authentic look.

Wade

I see where you're coming from, but disagree on some parts:

1. Yes, 6" can make a huge difference. For some, being able to move the cabinet is a factor. For example, on my first cab (which is, of course, still in preliminary stages), I'll initially be putting it in my office upstairs. When a kid comes along, I'll be giving up my office as the nursery and relocating the cab to my theater in the basement. Not only is weight a factor (which also goes towards the LCD preference), but being able to maneuver the cab through 2 separate landings on the stairs is key as well. Half of me wants to create something that is reminiscent of classic cabs, but the other half wants to create something that is both unique and customized to my own needs.

2. There is definitely some worth in going with an authentic monitor, or even a large CRT TV, to get a more authentic feel, but that also limits you in what you can do with the cab. If you want to tie in other components, such as say an Xbox 360 or something, you can't take full advantage of it as you are limited by the display. Same goes for adding things like a jukebox or something. Not to mention the previous point of size/maneuverability. However, I totally agree about the size issue. Trying to find a 20+" 4:3 LCD is damn near impossible.

Knievel, I love this design and can't wait to see the dimensions. Good thing I haven't cut that MDF yet!
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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2007, 02:33:11 am »
Artifact I have to say I tried the real arcade monitor route in the beginning and wasn't impressed. I much prefer the sharpness and detail of a PC monitor, I guess I'm just weird?
(...)
When you are finished your cabinet, coming along nicely by the way ;), I wonder if you would be interested in doing some Sketchup drawings of the Evolution for me?
You seem to have mastered the program and even with your tutorials I'm having a slow time of it.


You're not weird :) ... I just love to see the dots the way it looked when I was a kid (memories). I can't stand the pc monitors for that (although some of it can be "simulated")

Regarding sketchup drawing of your Evolution cab: I have to warn you that I am going to be suuuper busy soon, family reasons, BUT I always enjoy doing these things so I can try to squeeze some of it here and there - let's chat over PM. I just can't promise, but know I'd love to if I have the time.

(check the update on my project ;) .............)

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« Reply #30 on: August 28, 2007, 12:01:57 pm »
Looks great Knievel!!
I can't believe that you have finished another one, and I'm still trying to finish my first  :banghead:
Great job  :cheers:

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« Reply #31 on: August 28, 2007, 12:07:29 pm »
If I ever stop butchering old cab, this will probably be the 1st one I would want to build from scrap.  Guess there's also the bartop.

Awesome work!!!!

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« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2007, 12:13:08 pm »
Thanks guys!

Artifact I have to admit, when I'm playing the Atari 2600 EMU I have the scanline effect on. I spend the better part of my youth playing that on a TV and I like to see it as it was.  :)

No biggie on the Sketchup. All I really need done is a sketch of the cabinet side with dimensions and maybe another one with a cut list for the other parts. I'm crazy busy with the kids these days as well so I probably haven't given that program a fair chance.

Strokemouth you make a good point on how 6" can make a big difference in some cases. I know a lot of the people who asked me for the Woody dimensions said they were apartment dwellers. Usually space is at a premium there, and if you need to lug a cabinet up a few flights of stairs you'd want it as small/light as possible.

I agree that those who want a 4-plyr cabinet, or just a large monitor, will not want to go the LCD route. Personally I've been happy since day 1 with the 20" viewing area of my monitors..I grew up on 19" arcade monitors after all. ;)

Jtbullet I have done 2 wall-mount machines so far. I'll try and find a pic for you.
Basically they consisted of my usual CP/CP box mounted to the wall from behind so it appears to be floating, with an LCD panel mounted to the wall above it. The computer in both cases sat hidden on the other side of the wall.

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #33 on: August 28, 2007, 03:35:56 pm »
Knievel,
I could probably find the time to make a CAD drawing of your cabinet if you have some dimensioned sketches you would let me work from.  I spend most of my day in front of a computer drafting theatre sets, so a cabinet would be quick.  I was going to draft up my Dynamo HS-5 but the hold-up on that was the measuring, not the drafting.

Let me know if you're interested, PM or just in this thread.  I can save as PDF, or almost any CAD file type.

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« Reply #34 on: August 28, 2007, 03:40:26 pm »
FWIW I think the cabinet is very elegant and represents what a modern designed arcade cabinet should look like.  I prefer the look of a CGA monitor, but I think we're going to have to come to grips with the reality that they won't be around forever.  Moving toward LCD screens is a logical progression and I think a cabinet redesign for the lighter, flatter screens is warranted.  I've always been a big fan of Knievel's work and I think this is just one more example of why he's the best.

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« Reply #35 on: August 28, 2007, 04:15:02 pm »
Thanks Mark. :)

bfauska that'd be great. I'll make a few starting measurements and PM you.


The e-mails from people wanting plans for this one are already rolling in.

I also had an e-mail from one of the major arcade cabinet companies out there...will Knievel sell out???
....stay tuned :D

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« Reply #36 on: August 28, 2007, 05:05:01 pm »
  A man's gotta eat..right? Sell if the money's good. Why not.  ;D

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« Reply #37 on: August 28, 2007, 05:11:35 pm »

Eating isn't an issue, it's whether I want Kraft Dinner or T-Bone's every night. :)

Loving the joys! If you've got the time my bro is still interested in a red and a blue for his machine..

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« Reply #38 on: August 28, 2007, 05:46:44 pm »
 I had plenty of KD when I was growing up. I'm on to better things. Make my steak medium/well.   ;D

 Those sticks should be in a box somewhere in the house. I'm confident that they didn't get lost in the move. I'll PM you later when I dig them up.

 Cornchip.


 I should add...the move went well. The basement begs for a gaming room. It has nice high ceilings and is super dry (I personally did new drainage tiles myself after moving in...it was hell!). But that's why older homes are so much fun.

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« Reply #39 on: August 28, 2007, 06:18:15 pm »
Alright Knievel, if this is going to be the next "LuSiD" cab I'd expect you have tons and tons of build pics that you are about to post any second now... right?   ;)

I can't wait to see the plans!

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« Reply #40 on: August 28, 2007, 08:30:41 pm »

That is a VERY nice cabinet!

Congrats on that mate.

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« Reply #41 on: August 28, 2007, 09:31:34 pm »
Whoa, buzz-kill. :P Wade I can tell you that many people do see the slim cabinet size as an advantage, the goal here was to make it slim but still retro-arcade like. So you think the cabinet above looks 'badly proportioned'? That really bothers me, considering the time I spent designing it. As for being tippy, it isn't, as I said already.

I may be underestimating how many people see it as an advantage.  I'm just going by the people I know who are into games, and practically all of them have multiple games, so shaving 6" of depth from the back is just insignificant.  The average age on this forum may be a bit younger than me and there may be a lot more apartment dwellers, too, or may be planning or expecting to move.  Again, not among the gamers I know, but that could be different than most people on this forum.

Don't read too much into it - the only thing that makes the proportions look bad is the depth, IMO.  Otherwise, it looks very sharp.  I just expect upright video games to have more of a square footprint.  It's just what I'm used to, I guess.

Keep in mind that I have a dozen classic videos and pins, a 650 lb racing game and a 4-player 1500 lb racing game, all in my basement and moved down piece by piece (the only way to get the larger games down there).  So I'm probably on the wrong end of the scale when it comes to considering movability or practicality. ;)

Again, very nice job.  I'm obviously in the minority here, and I any time someone does something different there will be people who aren't fans of it.  Different strokes for different folks. :)

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« Reply #42 on: August 28, 2007, 10:18:50 pm »

I understand what you are saying Wade and I kind of agree with you.

However Knievels machine is designed to be different. Many husbands out there are going to love this design because the wives are going to accept it more than a full size machine and definately more than a 1500lb machine.  :laugh2:

CRTs are going to be phased out. No question about that, so moving to LCD is a good choice.
We had our own Arcade when I was 14-18 and I like the big bulky machines. I still build them big and bulky but I also have started using LCDs because importing CRTs from China is a slow and frustrating process.

I congratulate Knievel on this design. Modernizing these machines is great fun and thats why BYOAC is so successful I guess.

It is one Very, Very, Very nice machine.

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« Reply #43 on: August 28, 2007, 11:29:27 pm »
Yea this cabinet would be for the person that wants one machine to play, not a arcade game collector.

Thanks for the kudos Spacies. Maybe we'll get you building some of these. :)

Cornchip I look forward to more glowing sticks, and seeing how that game room progresses. ;)

Javreyh I wasn't thinking 'the next Lusid cab' when I was building this so I didn't take many pics. Guess I'll have to build another and take some.

Here are the ones I did take, the one shot shows how I fastened it together with biscuits..

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« Reply #44 on: August 28, 2007, 11:41:32 pm »

Added a link to a bigger finished pic in the first post.
A couple of people were asking for one, figured that would be easiest..

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« Reply #45 on: August 28, 2007, 11:58:16 pm »
Yea this cabinet would be for the person that wants one machine to play, not a arcade game collector.

Thanks for the kudos Spacies. Maybe we'll get you building some of these. :)


You never know.

White with chrome would be HOT!  :dizzy:
I don't think I would build the CP like that, probably incorporate into the machine to make it a little more traditional but just a lot more shallow than the originals.
I'd probably do a Ms Pac with 6" chopped off the back.

Again, credit were its due mate.  :cheers:

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« Reply #46 on: September 02, 2007, 12:57:32 am »
Dang, another homerun for Kneivel.  Your work is making me seriously consider an LCD when I make my next cab.  I love my existing cab, but it'ts a freakin monster.   These slim cabs would be much better suited for my house.

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« Reply #47 on: September 05, 2007, 11:29:26 am »
Looking at this slimline cabinet has re-awakened by desire to build one myself, i reckon it might get past the wife too, count me in for some plans should they get released to the public.

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« Reply #48 on: September 05, 2007, 11:47:23 am »

I will be getting to some drawings soon.

Have to get the kiddies into their after-summer groove so I can get a little free time.

And I've got another project I'm just finishing..stay tuned  ;)

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« Reply #49 on: September 05, 2007, 11:52:15 am »
Unbelievable as always, Knievel. I wish I had your skills at making everything come together so cleanly (probably not a real word, but it fits).  :cheers:
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« Reply #50 on: September 05, 2007, 06:38:52 pm »

Look forward to the next announcement Knievel.

BTW, someone pointed me in your direction re: a wall hanging cab. You done anything like that? I'm lookiing to steal an idea from someone. I drew up a concept yesterday and will give that a crack but if you have done something I would like to know. PM or reply here.  :cheers:

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« Reply #51 on: September 05, 2007, 10:49:03 pm »

Sorry, no. I did do a couple but I think I must've lost the pics in a recent HD crash.  :'(

Not much to look at really. An LCD monitor hanging on the wall with my standard CP mounted on the wall with hidden fastners.


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« Reply #52 on: September 07, 2007, 09:35:16 am »
Looks awesome my friend.  Also, thanks again for hooking me up with my CP.  Keep 'em coming.   :notworthy:

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« Reply #53 on: September 07, 2007, 12:50:45 pm »

Thanks. Glad it all worked out. :)

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« Reply #54 on: September 07, 2007, 02:27:41 pm »
this makes me want to design a cab as short as i possibly could while keeping the classic/retro stuff you can see in my project :)

i mean THIN as hell.. use a laptop for the pc parts, large 21 or 24 inch lcd screen, coin door, etc.. 8 inch deep CP like what i already made, plus perhaps another 8 inches for screen angle, mdf panels, fans, etc..wooow ...

it would look JUST like a regular cab if you look straight front :)

but only about ONE FOOT deep (!)

.... mmmhh ;)

there is no way i'd have an excuse to build it now that my full size (34 inch deep!) cab is 90 % done ... unless it was to sell it right away .. dunno if there would be takers ;)

i'll play in sketchup at least

thanks for the inspiration knievel, your projects rock! keep up the good work.

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« Reply #55 on: September 07, 2007, 02:48:48 pm »
ARTIFACT - watch out for tipping if you build something that thin!  Knievel's looks perfectly proportioned but I wouldn't go much thinner unless you bolt it to the wall...

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« Reply #56 on: September 07, 2007, 03:40:04 pm »
im crazy but not that much! :)

of couse it would be wll-hung ala earthquake brackets everyone installs in la

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« Reply #57 on: September 08, 2007, 04:18:47 am »
ARTIFACT - watch out for tipping if you build something that thin!  Knievel's looks perfectly proportioned but I wouldn't go much thinner unless you bolt it to the wall...
A 75 pound bag of cement wrapped in a garbage bag, placed in the bottom can compensate.

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« Reply #59 on: September 12, 2007, 06:45:27 pm »
i think he laminates all of his cabs if i remember correctly

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« Reply #60 on: September 13, 2007, 06:14:56 pm »

Well I normally use black semi-gloss latex paint, applied with a 4" white foam roller(rounded on both ends).

And I have laminated a few cabinets too.

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« Reply #61 on: September 15, 2007, 12:10:52 am »
Ah, OK
For some reason I thought you laminated most of them.
Great job again.

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« Reply #62 on: September 25, 2007, 11:37:36 pm »
Absolutely gorgeous cabinet!  I am in the process of building my own cabinet and have limited space, so your designs have been an inspiration.  I have 2 questions about the monitor bezel, 1.) Do you use tempered glass, or plexiglass? 2.) How are you mounting the bezel in the cabinet, does it just sit snugly in the cabinet frame, or are you using trim to hold it in?

Thank you for all the pictures and details, its been a great help!!

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« Reply #63 on: September 27, 2007, 03:18:17 am »
I'd like to add a question to drgilby's, how do you reach the monitor's controls (to turn it on etc)?

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« Reply #64 on: September 27, 2007, 11:00:30 am »
I'd like to add a question to drgilby's, how do you reach the monitor's controls (to turn it on etc)?

Most people set their cabs up so the monitor and everything else (marquee light, speakers) turns on once the computer power button is pressed. 

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« Reply #65 on: September 27, 2007, 02:40:17 pm »

The monitor glass is regular glass, I wouldn't suggest using plexi or lexan because you could get scratches.

Not sure of your other question. My 'bezel' is a sheet of black posterboard that is sandwiched between the monitor and the monitor glass.

The monitor is always plugged in. When the computer comes on it signals the LCD and fires the screen up.

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« Reply #66 on: September 27, 2007, 03:10:00 pm »
Not sure of your other question. My 'bezel' is a sheet of black posterboard that is sandwiched between the monitor and the monitor glass.

Sorry about that, I was including the glass as part of the bezel.  As you can probably tell, I'm a newbie :).  I was wondering how you mounted the glass in the cabinet.  I will be playing some Golden Tee, so I'm a little worried about how the glass will stay put.  My first thought was to put wood trim tacked in on the left and right side of the glass to hold it in place.  The monitor would be mounted in the same way as you have in your photos.

Thanks again!

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« Reply #67 on: September 27, 2007, 07:05:51 pm »

The glass slides up behind the speaker panel and then the bottom drops into a slot routed in the top of the admin panel. I use 1/4" thick glass so it's heavy and won't go anywhere.  :)

Here's a pic, different machine but the same idea..




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« Reply #68 on: September 27, 2007, 08:57:16 pm »
 I should have used glass when I did my cabinet. It's not so much the scratches...but the dust that collects on the monitor side due to the static build up. Not pretty. I did a good thing since I mounted my plexi the same way as shown in Knievel's Evolution. I'm guessing that glass really isn't all that expensive (as I thought originally). What does it cost you usually?

 Cornchip.

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« Reply #69 on: September 27, 2007, 10:46:05 pm »

About $40 including the edge polishing.

Never thought about static being a problem. :P

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« Reply #70 on: September 28, 2007, 11:37:53 am »

The glass slides up behind the speaker panel and then the bottom drops into a slot routed in the top of the admin panel. I use 1/4" thick glass so it's heavy and won't go anywhere.  :)

With nothing "holding" the glass, do you get any rattle?  I used this design on my driving cab, but with all the vibration built in (subwoofers, base shaker, and rumblers), it buzzed worse than a hive of  bees.  I ended up putting in felt at the top and a pressure plate at the bottom. 

Regarding concerns of the thin cabs not looking right... To some, these cabs are nostalgic recreations; to others they are art;  to others they are furnature; to others they are just the structure that hold their gaming components together.  To each his own. 

Nice job on this one, can't wait to read about your next.

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« Reply #71 on: September 28, 2007, 11:48:15 am »
Here's a pic, different machine but the same idea..



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« Reply #72 on: September 28, 2007, 01:36:35 pm »
That is one awesome cabinet!  Very impressive.  Do you do your own control panel art?  If so, what are using to design it?


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« Reply #73 on: September 28, 2007, 06:48:06 pm »

Thanks, the CPO was done in Photoshop.

I did everything but the background, that one is from the Arcade Art Library.

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« Reply #74 on: September 28, 2007, 07:11:55 pm »
With nothing "holding" the glass, do you get any rattle?  I used this design on my driving cab, but with all the vibration built in (subwoofers, base shaker, and rumblers), it buzzed worse than a hive of  bees.  I ended up putting in felt at the top and a pressure plate at the bottom. 

Regarding concerns of the thin cabs not looking right... To some, these cabs are nostalgic recreations; to others they are art;  to others they are furnature; to others they are just the structure that hold their gaming components together.  To each his own. 

Nice job on this one, can't wait to read about your next.

Never had any rattling but then again I'm not running all that stuff.
I route the bottom slot so that when the posterboard bezel and glass are pushed in they are tight.

I'll be posting a crazy project soon.. ;)

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« Reply #75 on: September 28, 2007, 08:22:20 pm »
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« Reply #76 on: September 28, 2007, 10:02:15 pm »
I'll be posting a crazy project soon.. ;)

Let the speculation begin.  Dedicated vpinball machine?

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« Reply #77 on: September 29, 2007, 10:10:19 am »
The monitor is always plugged in. When the computer comes on it signals the LCD and fires the screen up.
I am kinda embarrassed now. I've been building PCs for more than a decade now, have owned multiple LCDs, and was just told by my wife that LCD monitors "remember" their on/off state, even when the power is completely cut... I never knew this.

Ah well, another problem solved :)

Curious to know what your new project will be!

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« Reply #78 on: September 29, 2007, 10:52:04 am »

Yea that's one more great thing about LCD monitors.

Enjoying the buzz in this thread about my next project..might have to post a teaser announcement. :)

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« Reply #79 on: October 01, 2007, 01:53:39 pm »
That cab is a work of art, pure genius. Well Donr!!!  ;D

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« Reply #80 on: October 06, 2007, 10:41:57 pm »
Excellent work as always,
When cutting the groove for the glass approximately how wide and deep.
I usually use a router with a straight edge jig I made but wondering if you use a different method?
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« Reply #81 on: October 07, 2007, 11:01:25 am »

About 1/4" wide x 1/2" deep.

I just flip it upside down on my table saw, adjust the blade to 1/2" high and do a few passes over it. Adjusting the fence a little each time until I get a 1/4" wide slot..

Works great and it's one less router bit change. ;)

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« Reply #82 on: October 08, 2007, 12:59:15 pm »
ARTIFACT - watch out for tipping if you build something that thin!  Knievel's looks perfectly proportioned but I wouldn't go much thinner unless you bolt it to the wall...
A 75 pound bag of cement wrapped in a garbage bag, placed in the bottom can compensate.
Or an old CRT placed in the bottom... you have to do something with all those CRTs I know we've all accumulated for "the next project". 
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« Reply #83 on: October 09, 2007, 01:57:10 pm »
I'm thinking of trying my hand at building an arcade machine, and if mine ends up looking half as good as yours, I'll jump for joy.
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« Reply #84 on: October 09, 2007, 03:30:36 pm »
I keep going back and forth on what I'm going to build for my first cabinet.  When I look at the Knievel's Neon Mame, I think "that's the one I want to build!" and then I see another of Knievel's creations, and I think "No, that's the one I want to build!"  So for now, this is the one I want to build. :-)
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« Reply #85 on: October 10, 2007, 06:17:06 am »
Guys,

First post so be gentle  ;)

I built my first mame cabinet about 8-9years ago (based on a defender cab) and its held up great, recently sold itdue to space.  I'm about to build my second and am designing a thin cab much like this one, which is fantastic!!  :applaud: :applaud:

Quick question, what are the dimensions of this cab or have I missed them in this thread ??

Thanks in Advance
Stace  :cheers:

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« Reply #86 on: October 10, 2007, 09:59:50 am »
I'm thinking of trying my hand at building an arcade machine, and if mine ends up looking half as good as yours, I'll jump for joy.

Go for it!  I've just started on my first build and I'm having a lot of fun with it.  And so far there hasn't been a question I've thought of that hasn't already been asked on the forums.  Its a great resource.

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #87 on: January 28, 2008, 07:35:28 pm »
Ahh Knievel, you've done it again (australian members may see the reference to an old TV ad  ;))

Was there any progress on issuing the plans/dimensions LUSID style?

Keep up the good work mate

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #88 on: January 29, 2008, 06:17:01 pm »
Afraid not. I get requests for info on the Woody nearly every day but nothing on this one.

Seems that people wanting a slim LCD style cabinet want to go as thin as possible.

With only an addition 4" of depth I thought this design was a big improvement. :-\
« Last Edit: February 25, 2008, 09:58:33 am by Knievel »

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #89 on: January 29, 2008, 06:18:23 pm »
IMHO the wife-friendly aspects of the Woody are driving this. 

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #90 on: January 30, 2008, 10:14:04 am »

Yes I'm sure you are right about that. I think 99% of the Woody replicas have had a stained wood finish like mine.
That leads me to believe that guys are sneaking them into the living room when the wife isn't looking. :)

Maybe a woodgrain Evolution would get the ball rolling..

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #91 on: January 30, 2008, 02:55:26 pm »
Great Cab!  Assuming you get the plans out... this will be my second build!

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #92 on: January 31, 2008, 01:44:09 am »
I would definitely be interested in the plans. The parts for my cab are in the mail but I haven't decided yet on the dimensions. This slim line fits much better in my apartment then a full size cab. I was going to use an LCD anyway.
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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #93 on: January 31, 2008, 10:07:07 am »
I would be game for some plans as well.

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #94 on: July 05, 2008, 01:39:26 pm »
New to the hobby, did Knievel ever post plans for this?  I am looking to go LCD, slim, but still want some true arcade feel and I think this would be the perfect size for that.

Please Knievel, give this some thought...

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #95 on: July 13, 2008, 04:18:10 pm »
awesome cab!

where did you buy the led joystick, is it custom? if so, where can I buy it?

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #96 on: July 16, 2008, 03:29:12 pm »
Wow Knievel Just Wow.

I just love it.   :applaud:

With regard to your Woody project, could the cab go any slimmer?  I have only 7 inches deep by 24 inches wide to play with for a base.  Is it possible to make a cab that thin and at the same height as with regards to your Woody design?  I would have to pin it for stability, but I have no more room for a full sized cab.

Any thoughts would be helpful.

 
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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #97 on: August 26, 2009, 03:51:17 pm »
Afraid not. I get requests for info on the Woody nearly every day but nothing on this one.

Seems that people wanting a slim LCD style cabinet want to go as thin as possible.

With only an addition 4" of depth I thought this design was a big improvement. :-\

If it is more requests that you want, count one more from me!!
I am looking at starting my first build, and this cabinet is exactly what I am looking for.
As a noob, however, the detailed plans are what I need.

On another note, I love the CP and marquee art, any chance of getting a copy of that along with the plans?

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #98 on: August 26, 2009, 09:02:25 pm »
+1
I would love a set of plans for this machine.
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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #99 on: April 12, 2010, 02:08:57 am »
first post as like many others your builds are top notch and loved by all I've been lurking here for a few months and first was thinking something along the lines of a showcase cab but your woody project as well as this one make me think differently love the small form factor and the few additional inches on this one just makes me think its more sturdy. been following quite a few of the builds on this site and want to thank all of the builders on this site... when the plans come available i think this one will be my first build for sure... OH and how do u like them biscuit joints?
« Last Edit: April 12, 2010, 07:56:32 pm by pj14701 »

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #100 on: October 27, 2010, 11:07:04 am »
Can you give us a picture of where your cp meets your bezel?  Did you t-mold all the way around the cp?  How did you conquer the gap between the cp and bezel?

And I like that you are using biscuits.  I was planning on rabbiting/dadoing but biscuits would be much easier.  Now I just need to track down a cheap biscuit joiner on craigslist.
« Last Edit: October 27, 2010, 12:33:01 pm by justinjstark »

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #101 on: October 27, 2010, 12:44:53 pm »
I'd just like to point out that the last time Knievel responded in this thread was in 2008, and he hasn't visited the site since June of 2010.  I wouldn't hold my breath on getting an answer any time soon.

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #102 on: October 27, 2010, 03:20:04 pm »
I'd just like to point out that the last time Knievel responded in this thread was in 2008, and he hasn't visited the site since June of 2010.  I wouldn't hold my breath on getting an answer any time soon.

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #103 on: February 21, 2012, 01:58:55 pm »
Did Knievel every release any plans related to this?  I noticed someone posted a kind of hybrid of a woody/evolution in the sketchup warehouse, but I'm not sure how accurate it is.

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #104 on: February 21, 2012, 03:11:09 pm »
Did Knievel every release any plans related to this?  I noticed someone posted a kind of hybrid of a woody/evolution in the sketchup warehouse, but I'm not sure how accurate it is.

EvilNuff posted a sketchup model that was derived from Woody/Evolution a while back.  I used it myself last year, and things turned out pretty well.  Here's the post:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=55789.msg1108808#msg1108808
« Last Edit: February 21, 2012, 03:15:03 pm by alfonzotan »

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #105 on: February 21, 2012, 04:05:37 pm »

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #106 on: February 21, 2012, 04:18:59 pm »
Oh that Knievel is one stingy SOB. >:D

That sketchup model should have all the measurements you need. If not let me know.

Still building these regularly. This was the latest..

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=116418.0


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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #107 on: February 21, 2012, 04:26:57 pm »
Hey Knievel!  I saw your newest one, looks sweet!  The reason I so would like some plans from yours to start from is that I'm not an expert craftsman, so if I bump into things that are slightly off because of the guesswork required to draw up plans based on the info from the forums here, I don't know that I'll be able to overcome them. Also, I don't know that those include an accurate control panel layout.

I, like probably at least a few others, wouldn't mind ponying up like 20-50 bucks for some thorough plans that could be followed to the letter and include the panel layout and maybe even a sketchup or acad drawing.

Either way, I'm a big fan of your design work; something clicks right every time I stare at a cabinet like your evo.

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #108 on: February 21, 2012, 04:28:45 pm »
Oh that Knievel is one stingy SOB. >:D

That sketchup model should have all the measurements you need. If not let me know.

Still building these regularly. This was the latest..

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=116418.0



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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #109 on: February 21, 2012, 07:51:44 pm »
Oh the Thrashers will be getting their own tribute cabinet.

We are VERY thankful they came here and I've always liked their colors/jerseys.  :cheers:

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #110 on: February 21, 2012, 08:41:39 pm »
Astrobyte, if you look in the Mame Abduction thread, there are control panel layouts for download that were apparently posted there with Knievil's permission.  The button halo's aren't there so you will have to figure those out.  But the layout is there.
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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #111 on: February 21, 2012, 09:35:59 pm »
Astrocade?  :D

Yes the CP layouts are there and the sketchup drawing should have all the dims you need.
A few people have built off them already. I know because they've been asking me questions. ;)

Sorry but I won't be putting out plans for it. I've been burned in the past by people trying to profit off my work.
Once bitten, twice shy I suppose.

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #112 on: February 22, 2012, 10:45:28 am »
We have all profited intellectually from your work.  Thanks for all the details you have posted over the years.  ;D
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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #113 on: February 22, 2012, 12:33:53 pm »
Astrocade?  :D

Yes the CP layouts are there and the sketchup drawing should have all the dims you need.
A few people have built off them already. I know because they've been asking me questions. ;)

Sorry but I won't be putting out plans for it. I've been burned in the past by people trying to profit off my work.
Once bitten, twice shy I suppose.

I saw the abduction thread, but missed the part with the layouts - that will definitely help a bit at least!  I'm sorry to hear about the experiences you've had, and it's understandable.  If you ever change your mind though, my enthusiasm stands.

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Re: Knievel's Evolution
« Reply #114 on: March 06, 2012, 12:12:30 am »
Astro, I just fixed the issue with the control panels and reposted them if you are still looking for them.

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« Reply #115 on: January 14, 2013, 10:32:47 am »
Fantastic build!
Apologies if you have answered it already but where did you pick up you buttons and joysticks?



  
 

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