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| SavannahLion:
--- Quote from: Green Giant on August 15, 2007, 03:33:48 pm ---The first time you saw a car analogy doesn't really hold water as an age determination. --- End quote --- To every single one of us, cars have always been a part of our daily lives. So seeing their fundamental importance to us is something we take for granted. We know it's important to us and our lives, but we never really experienced what it was like before. Arcades have always held some measure of influence on my life. I remember feeding quarters into PONG and Tempest before I knew how to read instructions, count money or verbally speak. What Randy is describing is the notion that a person is realizing that they're standing at the cusp of a change so radical that life forever after (or until the next fall of civilization :P ) will never be the same again. The automobile is probably the best example of this, but that's not to say it's the only one. Telvisions had a similar effect as entire families gathered around a ---smurfy--- black & white 9" screen when they realized they can watch their favorite program instead of just listening. Or that feeling a person had when the CD player was introduced to them and they realized that they didn't need to rewind or fast forward like they did with audio tapes. Seeing something for the first time is unquestionably an awesome feeling, even if it's old by other people's standards. Seeing something for the first time, realizing it represents a radical change in society, then riding the crest of that change is something rarely matched. Neither of those feelings are any less genuine than the other. They're both good sex, just different kinds of sex. Edit: Looks like I took too long to compose.... |
| CheffoJeffo:
--- Quote from: RandyT on August 15, 2007, 03:55:38 pm --- --- Quote from: Green Giant on August 15, 2007, 03:33:48 pm ---The first time you saw a car analogy doesn't really hold water as an age determination. --- End quote --- Everyone had their own "awakening moment" to every technology, be it cars, TV, microwave ovens or video games. However, the thing that changes that moment is the knowing, by experiencing it, what life and society was like before any of those things existed. This allows one to see how the world changed to accommodate, even in the possibly negative ways, such as kids not getting as much exercise and fresh air as they should and the greater dependency on the TV and the machines that some said "possessed their souls" :) RandyT --- End quote --- :cheers: EXACTLY :cheers: |
| Sir Auros:
--- Quote from: jcoleman on August 15, 2007, 10:31:40 am ---I meant the time when just about EVERY grocery store, drug store, gas station, convenience store, and Waffle House had at least one arcade game. That was certainly not the case in my area in the late 80's and early 90's. --- End quote --- That was the case where I was at that time, and I wasn't living in a major metropolitan area, either. I think a certain style of games died off in arcades in the 80's, but I don't think that was the death of arcades. Get what I mean? --- Quote ---Artifact's opinion* is that console games are getting too complex for non-gamers (i.e. the majority of the population, of which we are obviously not a part) to pick up and enjoy quickly. There is a lot of agreement on that and that's why the Wii has been so successful (try to buy one!), not to mention the tons and tons of successful casual games that are out there now. There's plenty of room for both, however, and I totally agree with BrentRadio's comments. --- End quote --- I can't recall who said something before your post here about casual games, but the key demographic is non-gamers. As I read it when Artifact first said it, he was implying that only hardcore gamers (which would exclude many, many gamers) can enjoy modern games on non-Wii consoles. Casual games are a lucrative market, but it's more because they're tapping a previously untapped market (ie - old people). --- Quote ---BTW, your "old fogey syndrome" comment is just as bad as us "old fogeys" taking "cheap shots" (as GG said) at the 20-something crowd. Age-ism is BS no matter which way it goes, so let's all just try to get along - I'll look you up when I finally pick up a 360 and we can play SF2. ;) --- End quote --- I'm not saying it isn't, but from my viewpoint, I was responding in kind to perceived ageism from someone with a decidedly old fogey attitude. I do think things have shifted on this board from when I joined back in 2003 and young people who also play modern consoles are in the minority. As for SF2 on Live...let's wait until the HD remix comes out or I build a joystick. :cheers: --- Quote ---* (he was clearly making a point by humorous exaggeration when he made the "have a PHD in the room" comment, not taking a personal swipe at anyone) --- End quote --- I still just can't respect the argument that there's too many buttons. Non-gamers can be intimidated by the controls (but they can learn them regardless), but people with experience with games have nothing to fear. |
| CheffoJeffo:
--- Quote from: Sir Auros on August 15, 2007, 05:00:08 pm --- --- Quote ---* (he was clearly making a point by humorous exaggeration when he made the "have a PHD in the room" comment, not taking a personal swipe at anyone) --- End quote --- I still just can't respect the argument that there's too many buttons. Non-gamers can be intimidated by the controls (but they can learn them regardless), but people with experience with games have nothing to fear. --- End quote --- But, WHY can't you respect it ? You can disagree and that is fine, but the fact that others have chimed in with the same sentiments indicates that perhaps you SHOULD respect the viewpoint, even if you disagree. As for the shift since you joined ... I'm not so sure. I know for a fact that many of the old timers play current console games (and would probably like to give you the smoke of love!). And you say it as if it is a bad thing. I think that the fact that we now have more members well-versed in the history and preservation of vids is a good thing. But then, I am an old fogey. ;) |
| Sir Auros:
I can't respect it for the reasons I've been over again and again. It's not an opinion, it's a falsehood. Anyone familiar with videogames should be able to sit down and use a modern controller without difficulty and it's just coming from ignorance to say that modern games are too complex or you need to read a manual to be able to understand how to play. If you're familiar with the basics that a joystick will move you around and buttons do stuff, the bulk of modern games will guide you through everything. The time issue or disinterest in genres, those I can respect. Bunk about the controls, I cannot, because it's just flat-out wrong. It's a moot point about others expressing similar "opinions," since most of those were edited out since they weren't so much similar thoughts as they were retribution for a perceived slight. |
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