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Mr. Asterik (aka Barry Bonds) breaks the record
More Cowbell:
I play in a competetive men's league here in Chicago. The league is great and the dillhole factor is relatively low. I've played my whole life and coach my kids and do pitching coaching for other people's kids as well. I love the sport but I won't spend a minute trying to defend it against people who don't like it. It's tough to convince people that it's not boring, slow, and predictable. I can't even convince my own wife of that (baseball, not sex).
As far as Barry and steroids go, I'm split on it. I guess I'm not as hyped up on the steroids = cheating thing. Is it because steroids allow you to improve muscle mass more than you could naturally? If so, what other unnatural improvements should be outlawed in baseball? Lasik? Tommy John surgery? Doesn't weight lifting in general increase your body mass to an unnatural state? If you want asteriks next to names, you could find reasons for anyone at any time (pitching records in the dead ball era or back when the mound was 15" high, hitting records pre-1940's back when they used pocketless gloves and the pitcher who threw 90+ was rare). I will say that Bonds cheats in one way, his armor. That arm thing should not be allowed.
shardian:
--- Quote from: pinballjim on August 08, 2007, 03:50:22 pm ---Sorry, but I stand fully by what I said. There's nothing unpredictable in baseball.
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Ummm, you only succeeded in proving Justin Z's point, although badly. The argument is not "is baseball unpredictable" ( you never know what will happen on any given pitch except an intentional ball BTW), the argument is does baseball require strategy. By answering the questions, you show that strategy is involved in deciding what to do. So what if every player knows what to do on any given play. That is what they are supposed to do. In any sport at a competitive level, it is assumed that all players understand the basic strategy of the game. There is much more to what happens than how a player reacts. Like I said before, you have no clue what you are talking about. Kindly return to answering pinball questions. At least you know what you are talking about in that subject.
ChadTower:
To me, the steroids question is easily answered.
What is cheating? Cheating is breaking the rules of the organization.
Were steroids against the rules? No. If they are within the rules then using them is not cheating. Anyone can do it.
The followup comment is usually "But they were illegal." That just makes them a crime... it doesn't make them cheating.
They are against the rules now, so now they are cheating. But not then.
EDIT: fixed bbcode
shardian:
--- Quote from: pinballjim on August 08, 2007, 04:03:12 pm ---
--- Quote from: shardian on August 08, 2007, 03:58:33 pm ---Ummm, you only succeeded in proving Justin Z's point, although badly.
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Uhm... no.
--- Quote --- The argument is not "is baseball unpredictable" ( you never know what will happen on any given pitch except an intentional ball BTW), the argument is does baseball require strategy.
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ORLY? Here's what I originally said:
I can write the entire strategy on a soggy cocktail napkin. It's the only sport of which I'm aware where it's always known EXACTLY what a player should do at EXACTLY every moment. There's no room for improvisation and it's really just a bunch of individual athletes playing their position.
--- Quote --- Like I said before, you have no clue what you are talking about. Kindly return to answering pinball questions. At least you know what you are talking about in that subject.
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Don't know what I'm talking about, but you passionately confirm everything I say.
Do you know how to have a discussion online?
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OMG. Worst...troll...ever.
shardian:
--- Quote from: ChadTower on August 08, 2007, 04:04:28 pm ---To me, the steroids question is easily answered.
What is cheating? Cheating is breaking the rules of the organization.
Were steroids against the rules? No. If they are within the rules then using them is not cheating. Anyone can do it.
The followup comment is usually "But they were illegal." That just makes them a crime... it doesn't make them cheating.
They are against the rules now, so now they are cheating. But not then.
EDIT: fixed bbcode
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In the great words of Al bundy "It's only cheating if you get caught." (The special olympics episode was one of my fav's.)
True, he technically didn't cheat by the rulebook of MLB. In the court of public opinion, which holds far more consequences than a real court in some cases (just ask Mike Vick), he is guilty of cheating. Remember how McGwire and Sosa were treated during their run. You'd swear they were frikkin Medal of honor war heroes they were held up so high. You know that deep down Bonds wishes he were treated like that.
On the contrary though, don't forget that his purgery case is still pending. It's likely though that nothing will come of it.
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