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ChadTower:
He's the same guy who says he acts in commercials for a living and yet shows us his Stern HUO pins and talks about his collection of cars.
koolmoecraig:
Wait, I don't get it. What's funny about that?
koolmoecraig:
--- Quote from: ChadTower on August 08, 2007, 04:44:48 pm ---
He's the same guy who says he acts in commercials for a living and yet shows us his Stern HUO pins and talks about his collection of cars.
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What does that mean? That commercials don't pay enough for that? Oh contrare monfrare. Plus, my Newport and Polara are only worth about $5000-$8000 each.
Don't hate the playa :)
AtomSmasher:
--- Quote from: koolmoecraig on August 08, 2007, 07:02:55 pm ---Wait, I don't get it. What's funny about that?
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Well first off, you said the "no replacement for displacement" mentality is the "exact reason" domestics are doing poorly, even though the vast majority of their cars are not performance vehicles. Just look at the mustang or when the camero was around, for every v8 sold, they would sell 3-4 v6 versions. Or look at the total number of vehicles available with v8's, only a couple in each of the big three (excluding trucks), the vast majority of their cars are 4cyl or 6cyl. That mentality has very little or possibly nothing at all to do with why they're doing poorly. I bet that if you were to go do a survey and ask the random people difference between buying a Ford and buying a Honda, that the vast majority would say reliability. Hondas are known to run forever, domestic cars are not.
Then you go and compare the Cobalt to the S2000, a $20000 quick passenger car similar to the civic compared to a $30000 roadster. Gee, I wonder which one would have better performace ::) Then you dismiss GM's $30000 roadster as primitive instead of comparing to the S2000 probably because you know the solstice has superior performance and handling.
And then you also again try to defend Toyota in NASCAR when no one is saying they're going to do poorly. They're car will be pretty much the same as every other car in nascar, its the driver that makes the biggest difference.
koolmoecraig:
Yeah, comparing a Cobalt to and S2000 was a stretch. How about we compare the Honda that is it's direct competition, the Civic Si. 197hp naturally aspirated. Cobalt 200hp SUPERCHARGED. Let's not even talk about the level of refinement and resale value. It's not even close. You already mentioned Hondas superior quality so we have that covered.
The Solstice has better performance and handling than an S2000. Come onnnnnn. I'll give you straight line speed because of the TURBO advantage(slight) but handling is not even close. The Solstice understeers like a pig. The S2000 is completely balanced which is the mark of all great sports cars. It's not just about ultimate straight line speed. It is the combined package. The gear ratios in the GXP Solstice are so poorly matched that it virtually takes the fun out of the car. The S2000 is a true sports car. The Solstice GPX is more like a two seat mini muscle car.
Here is one more nugget for you to chew on. The S2000 came out 7 YEARS before the Solstice and has remained basically unchanged. Such was the quality and advancement of the engineering. A 7 year old model that can whip that Solstice on a track and gives up maybe 15% to straight line acceleration.
I'll stick by that primitive comment.
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