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AtomSmasher:

--- Quote from: boykster on August 08, 2007, 02:16:51 pm ---I'm not a muscle car "hater" but seriously, to dismiss smaller, lighter, faster types of cars as 'toys', thats just juvenile.  And the miata is hardly a "matchbox" car; it is probably the closest contemporary representation of the truest definition of a classic sports car:  open top, 2 seats, balanced handling, and enough power to be fun to drive.

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I do agree with you somewhat on these points, I believe to was koolmoecraig who started with the anti muscle car and domestic car postings, although his arguments are a few years old and no longer relevant (he didn't seem to know about newer cars like the 200hp 4cyl chevy cobalt or the the 260hp 4cyl pontiac solstice).

There are excellent 4cyl and 6cyl cars out there (Audi makes some of my favorites), but I find a rear wheel drive, high horsepower car more fun to drive then all of ones with smaller engines (at least with the cars in my price range).  And larger engines are a lot easier and cheaper to add horsepower to.  It's fairly difficult to get another 100hp out of an Evo, but its not very difficult to add 150hp to a stock v8 (just add a turbo or supercharger to name one easy way).

koolmoecraig:
The "There is no replacement for displacement" mentality is the EXACT reason why the US auto industry is in the toilet.  If Detroit would have embraced the concept of developing higher horsepower, efficient 4 cylinder engine technology they would been better suited for shift in consumer interest to more efficient vehicles.  Instead they do what they have always done(GM anyways) rebadge a primitive design and dump it for cheap(Aveo).

Just this month for the first time in history imports outsold domestics.  Even accounting for the big 3's shady "fleet sales" number padding.

How far off are we from seeing Toyota actually buying a controlling interest in GM?  Don't laugh.  It could easily happen.

As far as Toyota and NASCAR...

I remember in the 90's when Honda tried to enter Indy Car racing everyone laughed.  Bobby Rahals Honda powered car even failed to qualify for the Indy 500! Within 3 years of that they had captured the championship and had an 80% win ratio.

It will happen in NASCAR.

koolmoecraig:
I love old American cars.  I own a 1969 Chrysler Newport with a 383 and a 1970 Dodge Polara with the same engine.  You wanna talk gas guzzling?

I'm just saying that it is sad that everyone kicks back with this primitive mentality.  Now the imports are kicking our asses because of it.

200 hp in a Cobalt.  That's a supercharged 2.0 4cylinder.  Hondas 2.2's are putting out 237hp NATURALLY ASPIRATED!  Not to mention the fact that the Cobalt is a piece that looks like a 90's era Cavalier and has about the same horrendous build quality and resale value.

The Solstice is pretty cool but still primitive.

SLICK19:
This is one of the most horrible things I have ever seen.  :angry: :angry: :banghead: :cry:
I think I am going to be sick.....

AtomSmasher:
 :laugh2:

I was wrong about you koolmoecraig, you actually are a funny guy.

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