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So who is going to be watching the Giants games for the next week?

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DrewKaree:

--- Quote from: ChadTower on July 25, 2007, 05:54:43 pm ---
--- Quote from: tommy on July 25, 2007, 04:38:43 pm ---What about this guy? What happened there?

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Are you saying Tony Gwynn had a couple of years in between where he looked like Triple H?  Barry Bonds did.

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One only needs to look at Tony Gwynn throughout the course of his career.  As Shardian pointed out, Bonds' physical changes happened over the course of two years.  There isn't a reasonable person alive that can't see Tony Gwynn's changes occurred over the entire course of his career.

Tommy's attempt to compare the two simply doesn't stand up to a cursory examination as Chad's pointing out.

Tony Gwynn also wasn't EVER known for feats of strength but WAS blessed with sheer consistency, something steroids (and the cycle it causes) isn't known for, nor known to help.  Note the link you gave, tommy, and the stated facts in there.  For 14 years, Bonds was a model of consistency, as was Gwynn.  For 4 years after that, at a point at which people simply don't get magical powers and blow up, Bonds damn near DOUBLED his AVERAGE.

He's not tailing off because he's gotten fat, and it's laughable after looking at the stats he's amassed to suggest so.  He's gotten fat because he's had to go off the 'roids due to hyper-sensitive scrutiny and he simply can't recover/maintain/gain in the manner that the drugs used to allow him, meaning getting off or reducing the 'roid usage is responsible for his tailing off in production, getting injured more often, and lastly, getting fat.

jbox:

--- Quote from: ChadTower on July 25, 2007, 03:35:08 pm ---Actually, being floppy and saggy is a direct effect of having been on large amounts of juice and then stopping them all at once...

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Yeah, your wife said that was your standard excuse. Zing!!!!!  ;D

ChadTower:

Hey!  I was never on steroids.  If I were I would have been much bigger.

I wasn't ambitious enough to juice.   :laugh2:  That stuff is expensive.

ChadTower:

I think this guy must have just gotten of steroids too:

billf:
Well Barry passed Aaron tonight.  I didn't see it happen, but apparently they ran a taped message from Aaron on the stadium board.  Here is what he said:

"It is a great accomplishment which required skill, longevity and determination."

"Throughout the past century, the home run has held a special place in baseball and I have been privileged to hold this record for 33 of those years. I move over now and offer my best wishes to Barry and his family on this historic achievement."

"My hope today, as it was on that April evening in 1974, is that the achievement of this record will inspire others to chase their own dreams."

Aaron is a class act.

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