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So who is going to be watching the Giants games for the next week?
ChadTower:
I played baseball for nearly 15 years and have coached it another ten. I know what a pitcher's elbow looks like during delivery.
His forearm was flopping wrongly between pitches. He was very obviously injured and was too damn stubborn to come off the mound... then it was worse after the next pitch and he was done.
Ryan was one of my idols as a kid... Nolan Ryan, Pete Rose ( :banghead: :banghead: ), Carl Yastrzemski, and Steve Grogan.
Dervacumen:
I'm a Giants fan and I stopped watching games about 3 years ago since they suck so bad and invested everything into Mr. Bonds. He makes them a lot of money, and it's a business after all.
That said, I'll probably try to catch a few at bats here and there.
I could care less about the steroid issue. I don't care if he's a jerk. I want entertainment. He's entertaining and fun to watch. When I lived in LA I used to go to a lot of Giants/Dodgers games and sit out in left field in about the same spot, pretty close to the fence where the Dodger pitchers warm up. My wife and I always wore our Giants gear and had to take a lot of crap from the Dodger's fans. And every game we went to, Barry saw us up in the stands and tipped his hat and smiled. So there. Of course that was in the early 90's when he wasn't as jaded by all the negative stuff he has to deal with. Not that he didn't invite it himself.
I just want the Giants to put a good product on the field some day.
DrewKaree:
--- Quote from: ChadTower on July 24, 2007, 09:26:53 am ---
I played baseball for nearly 15 years and have coached it another ten. I know what a pitcher's elbow looks like during delivery.
--- End quote ---
You'd be the first to point out the vast difference between pro football, semi-pro football, and a flag football game. You didn't play in the majors, you didn't coach in the majors, therefore you do not, in fact, know what a major-league pitcher's elbow looks like during delivery or what it actually means to his motion. The best you can claim is that you played against or coached someone who may have made it to the majors. The time between them making it to the majors and when you saw them could and most likely would involve improvement and an increase in something you wouldn't have seen, something that made them even more effective.
Shardian stated that Ryan effed a ligament up. You even stated that it "looked" like it snapped, not that you were certain of it when he questioned what you saw.
Carry on.
ChadTower:
For something like the supernatural looking way a pitcher's arm bends, all you have to do is watch a lot of MLB on TV. If I don't know, then certainly Sharidan doesn't know for the same reason, and we're both ignorant.
:)
BTW, ligaments snap too, and it is more frequent and sometimes more ugly than a bone break, beacuse the joint will just flop the wrong way under force.
DrewKaree:
--- Quote from: Dervacumen on July 24, 2007, 12:08:38 pm ---
I could care less about the steroid issue. I don't care if he's a jerk. I want entertainment. He's entertaining and fun to watch.
--- End quote ---
The steroid issue and him being a jerk detract from the entertainment and "fun to watch" aspect. If they didn't, you wouldn't have even noticed or mentioned that he was a jerk because you would simply find him entertaining. His asinine behavior detract from his on-field performance, you're just willing to endure a higher amount of it than others for reasons that are personal to you. His behavior is a result of what you rightly pointed out as well - he invited this stuff on himself.
I have had exactly one "encounter" with the man, and it wasn't favorable. My kid was too small and was being pushed out of the way by other autograph whores, so I told him to stand off to the side and I'd get a ball signed by him. He never signed it, and stood there making snide comments about me being "one of those guys who'd turn around and cash in on his signature", glancing over at me periodically so I got the point that he was speaking to me.
When I had had enough, I took my kid by the hand and moved back to the place where I was standing, put the ball in my kid's hand, and helped him lean over the railing, at which time the jackass said "all done for today guys, see you at the next game".
He's a first-class a-hole in my book, and it's all because he thinks more highly of himself than he ought. The jackass should try a real job someday, and he might lose a third of that chip he carries around on his shoulder about how he's "persecuted". I put more stock in what Jessie and Al have to say, and it's well documented around here how I feel about those two.
I do believe I wouldn't piss on Bonds to put him out if he were on fire. :soapbox:
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