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saint:

--- Quote from: RTSDaddy2 on June 26, 2007, 10:14:27 pm ---You know what...go ahead and tell Saint to ban me after this rant, I really don't give a crap.   I'm really quite done with this place for a while anyway.  I have too many personal problems going on right now to allow someone's typed response to get my blood boiling like this.

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Nothing said here is worth taking personally, and you haven't done anything to warrant banning :)

NightGod:

--- Quote from: RTSDaddy2 on June 26, 2007, 06:23:35 pm ---Frizzle - be careful about casting stones.  I don't mean to anger anyone here, he's got a an opinion and can have it...but it's real easy to cast stones and forget we ourselves live in glass houses occasionally.  I guess what I'm saying is this thread isn't the place for it.

I just refuse to believe the same man I admired and respected was mentally here with us this past weekend.  They prove it wasn't drugs or insanity, then I'll believe and deal with it.  But something really really went wrong in his head, I believe. 

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I may live in a glass house, but that pane marked "murder your own children" is made of 20" thick steel-reinforced plexiglass and behind a brick wall, so I feel pretty comfortable throwing a whole pile of stones in this case.

As was said before, I can almost understand (certainly not condone) him killing his wife in a fit of anger-I can imagine the "family emergency" was some sort of knock-down, drag-out uber fight that ultimately involved her leaving him and taking their son. Add in a touch of steroid abuse and I think we can all see how it could happen. It was a crime of passion and a horrible tragedy. But killing his son a day later? By suffocating him in his sleep? Absofuckinglutely unforgivable and inexcusable. I haven't heard the reason yet that would ever change my view on that.

jbox:
Suffocation is far less suspicious than a lot of other things. Severe post-natal depression has occasionally led to cases where a parent has smothered a child because "they just wouldn't stop crying". I don't know the particulars of roid rage, but if it presumably combines hyper-aggression with hyper-irritability, I can see how someone irrational might start off with tying/pinning people down just to get them to "sit down and shut up while I'm talkin' to you!", but end up killing them instead because "they just wouldn't shut up".  :'(

Make no mistake, this is a horrible thing to happen, but the bible thing does tend to suggest he knew he had done wrong but he didn't have the courage to come forward and face the consequences of his actions.  :dunno

And RTS - I've read ingredient lists on soup packets that were more offensive then your supposed "rant". Bury them backwards sure, salt the Earth and rescind their awards and all. But getting righteous over someone's death is the start of a very bad slippery slope.   :timebomb:

RTSDaddy2:
I guess I'll be eating crow now - but this is just getting worse.  I do think I need to crawl into a cave, perhaps break these rose-colored glasses of mine permanently, and then come back to society when I can see clearly.  Some days I think I'm just the worst idiot walking the face of the planet.  I'm really embarrased to know this is who I held up as a "hero" (and please don't post that I'm being too hard on myself - TRUTH is truth).  It's just so damn hard to believe, but this guy was really really sick and twisted apparently.

Long post, sorry - boldface is added by me, of course.  I just saw this on the net.  I said that once I saw it for myself I'd believe it....guess I got called on that one.  Furthermore, the WWE is sure as hell covering it's behind at the expense of all three, denying that steroids could have possibly been involved.  They too, are probably right - but I still think it was despicable to make such a comment without a single toxicology report in yet.

From AP / Comcast:

Benoit Strangled Wife, Smothered Son
By GREG BLUESTEIN, Associated Press Writer
6 hours ago

FAYETTEVILLE, Ga. - Pro wrestler Chris Benoit strangled his wife, suffocated his 7-year-old son and placed a Bible next to their bodies before hanging himself with a weight-machine pulley, authorities said Tuesday.

Investigators found anabolic steroids in the house and want to know whether the muscle man nicknamed "The Canadian Crippler" was unhinged by the bodybuilding drugs, which can cause paranoia, depression and explosive outbursts known as "roid rage."

Authorities offered no motive for the killings, which were spread out over a weekend, and would not discuss Benoit's state of mind. No suicide note was found.

"In a community like this it's bizarre to have a murder-suicide, especially involving the death of a 7-year-old," District Attorney Scott Ballard said. "I don't think we'll ever be able to wrap our minds around this."

The Montreal-born Benoit was one of the stars of the WWE wrestling circuit and was known for his wholesome family-man image. His wife, Nancy, was a wrestling stage manager who worked under the name "Woman." They married in 2000.

When he won the world heavyweight championship in 2004, Benoit (pronounced ben-WAH) hoisted the belt over his head and invited his wife and child into the ring to celebrate. Asked by the Calgary Sun that year to name his worst vice: Benoit replied: "Quality time with my family is a big vice. It's something I'll fight for and crave."

Despite those appearances, Nancy Benoit had filed for a divorce in 2003, saying the couple's three-year marriage was irrevocably broken and alleging "cruel treatment." She later dropped the complaint, as well as a request for a restraining order in which she charged that the 5-foot-10, 220-pound Benoit had threatened her and had broken furniture in their home.

In the divorce filing, she said Benoit made more than $500,000 a year as a professional wrestler and asked for permanent custody of Daniel and child support. In response, Benoit sought joint custody.

The bodies were found Monday afternoon in the house, off a gravel road in this suburb about 20 miles south of Atlanta.

Benoit's 43-year-old wife was killed Friday in an upstairs family room, her feet and wrists were bound and there was blood under her head, indicating a possible struggle, Ballard said. Daniel was probably killed late Saturday or early Sunday, the body found in his bed, the district attorney said.

Benoit, 40, apparently hanged himself several hours and as long as a day later, Ballard said. His body was found in a downstairs weight room, his body found hanging from the pulley of a piece of exercise equipment.

A closed Bible was placed next to the bodies of the wife and son, authorities said.

The prosecutor said he found it "bizarre" that the wrestler spread out the killings over a weekend and appeared to remain in the house for up to a day with the bodies.

Toxicology test results may not be available for weeks or even months, Ballard said. As for whether steroids played a role in the crime, he said: "We don't know yet. That's one of the things we'll be looking at."

Steroids have been linked to the deaths of several professional wrestlers in recent years. Eddie Guerrero, one of Benoit's best friends, died in 2005 from heart failure linked to long-term steroid use.

The father of Curt "Mr. Perfect" Hennig blamed steroids and painkillers for Hennig's drug overdose death in 2003. Davey Boy Smith, the "British Bulldog," died in 2002 from heart failure that a coroner said was probably caused by steroids.

The WWE, based in Stamford, Conn., issued a statement Tuesday evening saying steroids "were not and could not be related to the cause of death."

"The physical findings announced by authorities indicate deliberation, not rage," the company said, adding that Benoit tested negative April 10, the last time he was tested for drugs.

Benoit was a quiet, roughhewn figure amid the glitz and bluster of pro wrestling. He performed under his real name, eschewed scripted personas and didn't bother to fix a gap where he had lost one of his front teeth. (According to the WWE Web site, he lost the tooth while roughhousing with his pet Rottweiler.)

His signature move was the "Crippler Crossface," in which he would lock his hands around an opponent's face and stretch his neck.

"You always rooted for him, because he was a good guy and he overcame the odds," said Dave Meltzer, editor of the Wrestling Observer, a weekly news letter. "It's like if you watched `Rocky,' and in the end it comes out that Rocky killed his wife and his son."

Benoit met his wife in the 1990s when she was married to rival wrestler Kevin Sullivan. As part of the scripted rivalry, Benoit and Nancy were supposed to act as if they were having an affair. A real romance blossomed, and she left Sullivan for Benoit.

Neighbors said the Benoits led a low-key lifestyle.

"We would see Chris walking in his yard from time to time. He wasn't rude, but he wasn't really outwardly warm," said Alaina Jones, who lives across the street.

Jimmy Baswell, who was Benoit's driver for more than five years, placed a white wreath at their gate. "They always seemed like they were the happiest people," he said.

World Wrestling Entertainment said on its Web site that it asked authorities to check on Benoit and his family after being alerted by friends who had received "several curious text messages sent by Benoit early Sunday morning."

"He was like a family member to me, and everyone in my family is taking it real hard," said fellow Canadian Bret Hart, a five-time champion.

The WWE canceled its live "Monday Night RAW" card in Corpus Christi, Texas, after the bodies were discovered.

Monday's show was supposed to be a memorial service for WWE owner Vince McMahon. In a storyline concocted by the WWE, McMahon was supposedly "assassinated" in a limousine explosion two weeks earlier. McMahon appeared at the beginning of Monday's telecast and acknowledged the bombing was made up.

The McMahon storyline has been dropped.

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Associated Press writers Debbie Newby and Jason Bronis contributed to this report.

ChadTower:

There are more details on the son now... reports say the Benoits were hiding that the boy had fragile X syndrome and other reports say they had found old injection scars on his arm.  Theories are that they had given him HGH in the past to try and help him over his disabilities.  No reports yet that that had anything to do with his death but there is a theory that the wife was an act of rage and/or passion but the son was to prevent him from having to be raised by strangers, having had his parents die violently, and with a spiraling disability the strangers very likely would never understand.

All rationalization, of course, but it's the first theory that makes any sort of sense.

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