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shorthair:
This sounds a little like my theory instructor in that he wasn't really taught the fundamentals of music till he hit college. Before then it was, each time, learning from scratch. I think he was a genius and wonder why he didn't figure it out on his own, but I think that his experience was so conservative and he was very 'law-abiding' that he mostly kept with what he was told to do. Till college, where he experienced so much - this was the 60s, afterall - that he broke a bit out of that.

Really, five basic things about western music and anyone should know what they're hearing.

polaris:
youve hit the nail on the head there , its a confidence thing with me, i need to really understand it to be happy, though im sure i could play without the study, i just want the complete picture. strangely ,in my lessons i would notice mathematical patterns in the music which completely baffled my teacher, but i dont kmow ultimately if its any use

polaris:

--- Quote from: pinballjim on June 04, 2007, 10:58:03 am ---Something worthless out of WPI?  What a surprise.



--- End quote ---
sorry jim, what you on about, whats WPI?

shorthair:
No idea, either. polaris, it's hard to say about what you saw. There is a set theory for music, though it's more helpful in non-conventional harmony as the structural conditions are generally based in the pitch sets, vs earlier music using sonata form and ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. But similar stringence underlines conventional harmony. In a sense, Bach is more like 12-tone music, even though (or perhaps because) much of it is fugal.

Once you see, you'll ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- your pants. Really try to get a copy of Solomon's beginning books. They're the most comprehensive and effective, yet concise, texts out there I'd bet.

polaris:
ill give you an example, learning arpeggios ,four octave on a piano you emphasize every fourth note from the first , 1st 5th etc , it just struck me that in doing so you were emphasizing a broken chord with that pattern. nothing major ,my teacher just commented i saw things a different way to him.

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