Definitive 4-way vertical list

[paigeoliver]

I am trying to determine a definitive list of games that are use vertical monitors AND play correctly with a 4-way joystick with a maximum of two buttons. I used sortinfo.exe to help out a bit with the list, but that thing has so much incorrect information that all it really ended up being good for was getting rid of the clones and the horizontal games (since EVERYTHING with a 2-way is listed as 8-way, and tons of 4-way games are listed as 8-way as well).

Here is what I am going for in this list.

Game must use a vertical screen, and be fully playable with a 4-way joystick with two buttons.
Game must not use analogue controls (Arkanoid is fully playable with a 4-way, but it sucks that way).
Games must have working sound.
Originals only, no clones (Only exceptions are Pac-Man instead of PuckMan, and I included New Rally-X (Vertical screen).

Here is the list I have. Am I missing anything? Do I have anything included that doesn't work right, or has no sound, or otherwise doesn't match up to my list above? I want everything on this cab to play perfectly, and I don't want any problem games.

Ali Baba and 40 Thieves
Amidar
Anteater
Armored Car
Astro Blaster
Astro Fighter
Astro Invader
Bagman
Balloon Bomber
Black Hole
Burger Time
Carnival
Cavelon
Checkman
Circus Charlie
Commando
Congo Bongo
Cosmic Guerilla
Cosmos1981
Crush Roller
Dazzler
Defend the Terra Attack on the Red UFO (bootleg)
Devil Fish
Dig Dug
Dig Dug II
Disco No.1
Donkey Kong
Donkey Kong 3
Donkey Kong Junior
Dream Shopper
Eyes
Faster Harder More Challenging Q*bert (prototype)
Frogger
Galaga
Galaxian
Galaxy Wars
Gals Panic
Guzzler
Heiankyo Alien
Intrepid
Invader's Revenge
Invinco / Head On 2
Joust 2 - Survival of the Fittest
Jr. Pac-Man
Jump Coaster
Jumping Jack
Jungler
Kicker
King & Balloon
Lady Bug
Lasso
Levers
Lock'n'Chase
Loco-Motion
Logger
Lunar Rescue
Mappy
Marvin's Maze
Mikie
Minky Monkey
Monster Bash
Moon Alien Part 2
Moon Quasar
Mr. Do!
Mr. Do's Castle
Mr. F. Lea
Mr. Jong
Mr. TNT
Ms. Pac-Man
Mysterious Stones
Naughty Boy
New Rally-X (Vertical)
Ozma Wars
Pac & Pal
Pac-Man
Pac-Man Plus
Pengo
Pickin'
Pisces
Pleiads
Pooyan
Pop Flamer
Pulsar
Q*bert
Q*bert's Qubes
Qix
Return of the Invaders
Roc'n Rope
Route 16
SWAT
Samurai Nihon-ichi
Satan's Hollow
Scrambled Egg
Sindbad Mystery
Solar Fox
Son of Phoenix
Space Invaders
Space Invaders Part II
Space Laser
Space Panic
Springer
Stratovox
Streaking
Super Bagman
Super Pac-Man
Super Space Invaders '91
Tank Battalion
The Electric Yo-Yo
The End
The Glob
Tomahawk 777
Tower of Druaga
Triple Punch
Van Van Car
Warp & Warp
Wiping
Zzyzzyxx

Crazy Kong and Zig Zag eliminated for being poor clones of other games that would never get played.
Invinco eliminated because it is included on the Invinceo/Deep Scan rom.

[paigeoliver]

Also, I wouldn't mind being warned of any of these games that are just so bad that no one should be wasting their time on them. I see a lot of old favorites on that list, but then there is a lot of stuff that I have never heard of too. (Guzzler, Marvin's Maze, Mr. Jong, etc).

[Howard_Casto]

I liked your question because no one seems to use the advanced filtering options of lazarus and this is a perfect example of something it would save time for.  

So think of this as an answer/lazarus tutorial on filtering.  

To get the answer to your question we would make a vdir entry that looks like this:


[path]
logo=
caption=Definitive 4-way vertical list
useclones=0
searchstrings:11=*joy4way*;0=pacman;0=nrallyv
filters:9=*status preliminary*;9=*sound preliminary*;10=*orientation horizontal*;11=*buttons 4*;11=*buttons 5*;11=*buttons 6*
[/path]


What all that junk means is we start with all 4way parent games (plus pacman and new rally v)  and then start filtering off the crap we don't want, like non working games and games with bad sound ect....  

Now you can either run it on lazarus yourself or just let me know and i'll post the list it generates.

The reason I brought this up is of all the fe's currently released (sorry sirp)  only a very few can do such advanced filtering.  When you need very specific lists then Laz is the only way to go imho.  This will be enhanced even more in Laz Dx.  Of course I'm just a tad biased.  

[paigeoliver]

The only problem is that I assume your frontend uses the MAME information as to what is joy4way and what is joy8way.

That information is largely incorrect (For example, Donkey Kong is listed as a joy8way). Your filter string there would miss about 20 vertical 4-way games that MAME lists as 8way, and about 30 2-way games that are listed as 8way.

I don't have Lazarus yet but I was liking the look of it, and was planning on checking that out first.

[Howard_Casto]

They fixed that bug ages ago... I ran the list and the dk games show up.  

[Howard_Casto]

The list auto printed from laz:


Game List Generated from Vdir:  0


New Rally X (Vertical Screen)
Ali Baba and 40 Thieves
Alpha Fighter / Head On
Amidar
Arm Wrestling
Armored Car (set 1)
Barrier
Blasto
Blockade
Burger Time (Data East set 1)
Car Jamboree
Chameleon
Chinese Hero
Commando (Sega)
Comotion
Congo Bongo
Cops'n Robbers
Crash
Crazy Kong (set 1)
Crush Roller (Kural Samno)
Diamond Run
Dig Dug (set 1)
Dig Dug II (New Ver.)
Digger
Disco No.1
Do! Run Run (set 1)
Dominos
Dommy
Donkey Kong (US set 1)
Donkey Kong 3 (US)
Donkey Kong Junior (US)
Dorodon (set 1)
Dr. Micro
Dragon Buster
Dream Shopper
Elevator Action
Eyes (Digitrex Techstar)
Faster, Harder, More Challenging Q*bert (prototype)
Fire Trap (US)
Forty-Love
Frogger
Gals Panic (set 1)
Gun Dealer (set 1)
Guzzler
Hard Hat
Head On (2 players)
Head On 2
Heiankyo Alien
Hexa
Hustle
Invinco / Head On 2
Iron Horse
Jr. Pac-Man
Jumping Jack
Jungler
Karate Champ (US)
Karian Cross (Rev. 1.0)
Kicker
Kung-Fu Master
Lady Bug
Las Vegas Girl (Girl '94)
Lasso
Lock'n'Chase
Loco-Motion
Logic Pro (Japan)
Logic Pro 2 (Japan)
Lupin III
Mahjong Satsujin Jiken (Japan 881017)
Meikyu Jima (Japan)
Mikie
Minesweeper
Minky Monkey
Monster Bash
Mouse Trap (version 5)
Mr. Do!
Mr. Do's Castle (set 1)
Mr. Do's Wild Ride
Mr. Goemon (Japan)
Mr. Jong (Japan)
Mr. TNT
Ms. Pac-Man
Mysterious Stones (set 1)
NATO Defense
Naughty Boy
Net Wars
New Rally X
Oli-Boo-Chu
Pac & Pal
Pac-Man Plus
Pairs (System Ten) (Japan 890826)
Pengo (set 1)
Pepper II
Perestroika Girls
Pettan Pyuu (Japan)
Pig Newton (version C)
Pirate Ship HigeMaru
Pop Flamer (protected)
Popeye (revision D)
Pulsar
Punch-Out!!
Q*bert (US)
Q*bert's Qubes
Qix (set 1)
Radar Scope
Raiders5
Rally X
Rampage (revision 3)
Reikai Doushi (Japan)
Robby Roto
Roc'n Rope
Rolling Thunder (new version)
Route 16
Samurai Nihon-ichi (set 1)
Samurai
Scrambled Egg
Side Track
Sindbad Mystery
Solar Fox
Space Chaser
Space Panic (set 1)
Space Zap
Spectar (revision 3)
Streaking
Super Invader Attack
Super Pac-Man
Super Punch-Out!!
Super Qix
SWAT
Tactician (set 1)
Tank Battalion
Tapper (Budweiser)
Targ
Taxi Driver
Telephone Mahjong (Japan 890111)
The Amazing Adventures of Mr. F. Lea
The Electric Yo-Yo (set 1)
Thief
Timber
Time Limit
Tomahawk 777 (Revision 1)
Tower of Druaga (New Ver.)
Toypop
Tranquilizer Gun
Triple Punch
Tutankham
Van-Van Car
Volfied (World)
VS Gong Fight
Wai Wai Jockey Gate-In!
Warp & Warp
Wiping
Wonder Momo
Yam! Yam!?
Zero Zone
Zig Zag (Galaxian hardware, set 1)
Zoo Keeper (set 1)


For a total of 156games.

[SirPoonga]

You didn'r run that exact filter!  No pacman in that list!

[SirPoonga]

The reason I brought this up is of all the fe's currently released (sorry sirp)  only a very few can do such advanced filtering.  When you need very specific lists then Laz is the only way to go imho.  This will be enhanced even more in Laz Dx.  Of course I'm just a tad biased.  

Which is really cool and why filtering is going in my FE and in which I have yet to think how to implement it:)  My filtering is different, since I don't rely on lists or virtual directory.  I rely on categories from catver.  You can set up the filter which will affect all the categories.  Favorite lists will not be affected.  

For you naysayers, an update on my FE.  Since the redesign, my friend who is doing the graphics is researching newer features of flash mx to see what we can take advantage of before we get too far into building it.  MX is suppose to have dynamic grapgic support, but I think for only png.  Now, you think to yourself, hey, I'd have to convert my images from png to jpeg.  Yes, you would!  I will have a utility to do that otherwise.  Be happy, it's better than what the old system did if we get it to work.  The old system converted to swfm but had to convert to jpeg first.  No on on the flash dev newsgroups was kinda enough to say how to convert png to swf.  One almost did, saying png had to be put into a lossless object in flash then converted, but didn't say how to do that exactly.  I think that was a ultility called mingw.

[paigeoliver]

Was that second list supposed to be a vertical list? A lot of those games are horizontal. It is also missing all the 2-way games. They may have got the Donkey Kongs right  in the latest info, but there is still a ton of bad info.

Filters are only as useful as the information they are filtering, and when that info is bad, then they aren't very useful either.

Where is Nibbler on that list (or my list EEK!)?

[SirPoonga]

A lot of those games are horizontal. It is also missing all the 2-way games.

Until controls.dat is available this is imposible.

[Howard_Casto]

You didn't say you wanted 2way games, you said you wanted 4way games.  To do a 2way list I would have to add a 2way entry.  

[SirPoonga]

You didn't say you wanted 2way games, you said you wanted 4way games.  To do a 2way list I would have to add a 2way entry.  

But you can't search for 2ways in mame.


Also, again, I don't see Pac-Man, There is pacland and pac plus but no pacman in your list.

[Howard_Casto]

Yes you can it's just the 2 games aren't always listed properly (sometimes they are 4 way)  

But since he wants both two ways and 4 ways it doesn't matter.  

Also regarding the exact filter.... bite me sirp.  I was just trying to help here.  

[SirPoonga]

I know, but you specified pacman directly in the searchstring.  Just wondering why it didn't come up?  bug?

[Howard_Casto]

Not sure, maybe....

If it is then it's an odd bug as it only seems to effect pacman.  Notice that newrally showed up.  

[chris_lemasters]

Paigeoliver,

I went through this for my cocktail, as well (BTW, thanks Howard - your list picked up quite a few that I missed).
To complicate things, there are few 'classics' that call for 8-ways that are more than acceptable with 4-ways that will enhance your satisfaction with your cab.  Only one comes to mind at the moment (Journey - classic to me, at least <grin>).

The good new is that the vertical-only list is a pretty good start in itself!

Chris

[Howard_Casto]

I have confirmed a wierd pacman-related bug as sirp had guessed.  I wish to fix this (because surely it effects more) and then I will post a better list.  

[Aceldamor]

I can't wait for DX Laz....my cab desperatly needs a front end.  Especially one I can do advanced filtering on.  

[paigeoliver]

Paigeoliver,

I went through this for my cocktail, as well (BTW, thanks Howard - your list picked up quite a few that I missed).
To complicate things, there are few 'classics' that call for 8-ways that are more than acceptable with 4-ways that will enhance your satisfaction with your cab.  Only one comes to mind at the moment (Journey - classic to me, at least <grin>).

The good new is that the vertical-only list is a pretty good start in itself!

Chris

I am considering making a new panel and putting an 8-way on there next to the 4-way (like I have on my horizontal cabinet). I have plenty of room, since I am still using the original panel with has a 4-way on one side and 2 buttons on the other.

[velcrobomb]

1942

[PL1]

1942

Nope.  It's 8-way.


Scott

[Howard_Casto]

Better be careful... this zombie thread might eat your brains it's so old. 

[gstav]

Guess this is a longshot going back in the stable of dead horses, but did any easy way to filter 4-way joystick ever saw the day of light?
Want to have my 4-way + 2-way games (both horisontal and vertical) automated upon launch, but cant find a good way to do this 

[abispac]

Guess this is a longshot going back in the stable of dead horses, but did any easy way to filter 4-way joystick ever saw the day of light?
Want to have my 4-way + 2-way games (both horisontal and vertical) automated upon launch, but cant find a good way to do this 

Romlister is a great tool for that, i made a similar list for hyperspin with that.  Together with the old jeepguy81 files, makes it for a nice vertical front end.

Just change the txt extention to xml if you wanna use it.