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DrewKaree:
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I still wonder why no one seems to think that finite natural resources running out is a problem. Why is it always about the climate change?
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It is about the climate change because the "solutions" directly involve these finite natural resources.
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The discussion often goes like, "Hey it snowed here in <insert usually warm city> so the climate is not warming and thus it is ok to drive a Canyonero". My point is that there are more problems with wasting energy (or oil in this case) besides climate change.
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In this instance, the point you brought up was "why is it always about the climate change". The response was because the solutions - meaning the solutions to climate change - directly involve these finite natural resources.
What are your "more problems" you're referring to? You'll have to be less vague when asking a question you actually want an answer to, since the only other "more problems" I see (actually, the only other one I care about), is the cost going up. Perhaps they need my heartless attitude to drive a pipeline directly through a caribou or to chop down a few hundred trees that house some owl that can fly somewhere else to live.
If a few animals need to sacrifice so I can save fifty cents per gallon, well, that's something I'm willing to make happen.
Say, any chance of you explaining how using computer models to predict what the earth is going to be like in my area for the next three days is different from using computer models to predict what the earth is going to be like in my area in the next 50 years?
Seems as if you haven't realized the "climate" is the result of "weather".
patrickl:
--- Quote from: DrewKaree on May 25, 2007, 08:57:11 pm ---In this instance, the point you brought up was "why is it always about the climate change". The response was because the solutions - meaning the solutions to climate change - directly involve these finite natural resources.
What are your "more problems" you're referring to?
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I said it in the post above the one you responded too, but it has to do with the relation between demand of oil and production of oil. Running out of a finite resource means there will be problems producing that resource and thus if demand doesn't go down accordingly:
--- Quote from: patrickl on May 25, 2007, 04:24:57 am ---I wonder if the oil price going up by a factor of 2 or 4 over the next 20 years wont have a bigger impact than maybe a degree of global warming.
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I mentioned that one since even the most selfish people will realize that will be bad for their own situation, but yeah using less fuel would be better for the environment too and with less air pollution for the people as well.
--- Quote from: DrewKaree on May 25, 2007, 08:57:11 pm ---Say, any chance of you explaining how using computer models to predict what the earth is going to be like in my area for the next three days is different from using computer models to predict what the earth is going to be like in my area in the next 50 years?
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You really cannot see the difference? These two fields use completely different parameters and thus they use completely different computer models.
Weather predictions use atmospheric pressures (and distribution of those pressures), satellite images, radar images of rain, power of the sunsine on a certain location at a certain date. It basically predicts local wind directions, wind strength, where it will rain and by how much and what the exact (more or less) temperature will be for a certain location. All pretty detailed local information.
The climate change predictions we are discussing here look at the amount of energy being taken in by the planet (and it's atmosphere) and the amount of energy that goes back out into space. The diffrence between these two would indicate warming or cooling down. They estimate which gasses in the atmosphere are responsible for trapping heat and for each to which degree (one of those graphs I posted before). Then they predict the future amounts of these gasses in the atmosphere and estimate a global temperature for that future. This is more global and average data and completely different from what they use for weather predictions.
So at that point the two fields are just about completely unrelated. Where the relation comes back in is when weather and climate scientists together start looking at the climate change data and they estimate what the consequences of these changes will be for the local weather. They take the climate change prediction that the temperature will rise slightly, but mostly that the difference between high and low temperatures will increase (so the weather will be more volatile). For instance, they would estimate if perhaps tornado's will be more likely to occur based on their knowledge of local weather systems and the estimated temperature changes.
So there is a relation between the two fields, but a weather prediction and a climate change prediction on itself use a completely different science behind it.
--- Quote ---Seems as if you haven't realized the "climate" is the result of "weather".
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Like I said before climate is the average of weather, but alternatively you could see it as that the weather will (on average) fit in with the climate.
AtomSmasher:
It's not easy being green.
danny_galaga:
--- Quote from: patrickl on May 23, 2007, 08:32:35 am ---
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--- Quote from: patrickl on May 22, 2007, 01:23:35 am ---With only 2 seats and only space for one shopping bag in the "back", the smart narrows it's market quite a lot (basically single women with no hopes/wishes of getting kids). Especially since for the same money you can buy a car twice the size.
On the other hand, in the Netherlands they use smarts for "ambulance" and "firetruck" and in Belgium for taxi's:
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actually, they would be great for taxis in congested cities (",). that ambulnace looks like it is a 3 wheeler :o
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Why would it work better than a normal car in a congested city? It stil gets stuck in traffic. Or do you mean it pollutes less?
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1): theres more chance of bypassing accidents
2): traffic will actually be smaller
youre right though, id hate to have to actually carry anything with me in one of those! but it would be the case that you can select what type of taxi you get. if i was late for work id definitely be ordering one of the smart taxis...
shorthair:
--- Quote from: AtomSmasher on May 26, 2007, 02:54:27 am ---It's not easy being green.
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Cute.
patrickl: I think drew's meaning that weather is the cause of climate. An evolutional thing. I think this is sorta true, at least before bio-chemical synthesis. Then it just runs exponentially away into an interactive amalgam.
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