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patrickl:
--- Quote from: DrewKaree on May 20, 2007, 03:12:51 pm ---
--- Quote from: patrickl on May 20, 2007, 02:16:10 pm ---
The gas engine is needed because I don't think they are able to produce a useful fully electrically powerded car yet. Either the car is too small or it doesn't have acceptable range.
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That line is bunk. They're starting to import Smart cars here in 2008
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Now imagine filling that smart up to the roof with batteries needed to power it and see how "big" it is.
Anyway, of course electric cars are available already and the manufacturers are working on new models. For now they don't seem to be a big sell though. So whatever is causing that is the reason for it ::) Could be range, size, price or whatever.
I wonder if the extra batteries needed for a fully electrically powered care wouldn't weigh as much as a small petrol engine anyway.
--- Quote ---after adding more safety features, since they're not safe enough for our roads, evidently ::)
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What kind of safety features are they adding? Perhaps a bigger airbag to accomodate americans not using a seat belt? They added ESC in europe after they were found to flip over too easily, but what else can they add.
patrickl:
--- Quote from: ChadTower on May 20, 2007, 03:35:41 pm ---
I'm catching this a little late, but for once, pinballjim isn't so far off. I've found that with arcade guys, more so pinball guys, if they don't have kids they are going to be a pain in the ass to deal with. They're going to be very selfish, nickel and dime the crap out of you, waste your time intentionally to do it, flake off on deals with regularity... all things that someone with a family and demands on spare time can't afford. I've had very few arcade deals with guys that don't have kids go smoothly.
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Does pinballjim have kids?
ChadTower:
No idea.
DrewKaree:
--- Quote from: patrickl on May 20, 2007, 03:40:46 pm ---
--- Quote ---after adding more safety features, since they're not safe enough for our roads, evidently ::)
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What kind of safety features are they adding? Perhaps a bigger airbag to accomodate americans not using a seat belt? They added ESC in europe after they were found to flip over too easily, but what else can they add.
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I have no idea. There is a Suzuki dealership here that has 4 of those deathtraps selling for an astronomical $26,000, and they have to be sold as used cars (brand new models with the used car info sticker on 'em) due to some other regulations.
When my buddy wanted some more info on 'em, we looked online for 'em. They get 45mpg and aren't slated for import until 2008 here, and the reason given was that they have to add several safety improvements or features (can't remember how it was phrased). Due to them lacking these items already, that was cited as the reason they weren't already being imported. It's also one of the reasons they have to be sold as used cars thus far.
My flabber was gasted when I found out those things were $26k. Mebbe that's their starting point, but they darn sure expect to sell them for somewhere close to that point. That's an astronomical price for a car that looks like it would lose in a head-on collision with a Big Wheel/motorized wheelchair ::)
patrickl:
--- Quote from: DrewKaree on May 20, 2007, 04:22:33 pm ---
--- Quote from: patrickl on May 20, 2007, 03:40:46 pm ---
--- Quote ---after adding more safety features, since they're not safe enough for our roads, evidently ::)
--- End quote ---
What kind of safety features are they adding? Perhaps a bigger airbag to accomodate americans not using a seat belt? They added ESC in europe after they were found to flip over too easily, but what else can they add.
--- End quote ---
I have no idea. There is a Suzuki dealership here that has 4 of those deathtraps selling for an astronomical $26,000, and they have to be sold as used cars (brand new models with the used car info sticker on 'em) due to some other regulations.
When my buddy wanted some more info on 'em, we looked online for 'em. They get 45mpg and aren't slated for import until 2008 here, and the reason given was that they have to add several safety improvements or features (can't remember how it was phrased). Due to them lacking these items already, that was cited as the reason they weren't already being imported. It's also one of the reasons they have to be sold as used cars thus far.
My flabber was gasted when I found out those things were $26k. Mebbe that's their starting point, but they darn sure expect to sell them for somewhere close to that point. That's an astronomical price for a car that looks like it would lose in a head-on collision with a Big Wheel/motorized wheelchair ::)
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$26k sounds outrageous. Overhere they start at €9k (like $12k), but a general price would be €12k ($16k) which is bad enough. Mind you, that's including the 60% of taxes we have on new cars overhere. So I would expect the cars to sell for a lot less than that in the US.
It's basically half a car.
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