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shorthair:
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Two vehicle crashes is only part of the accidents. SUVs are more involved in single vehicle crashes and this compensates for their murderous nature in two-vehicle crashes.
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I bet that's cos they females - ahem, people in them are distracted jack-jawing on their cell phones...without at least using a headset.
Mileage, schmileage. Tucker made a 1-ton beast with 28 mpg IN THE 50'S. Electrical stuff has been around for over a hundred years. Or how bout this dude recently that found out how to catalyse water into hydrogen and oxygen, first as a welding device, and then as a fuel for combustion? It's capitalism, boys. Dig it.
patrickl:
--- Quote from: pinballjim on May 10, 2007, 05:57:46 pm ---Let me know when there's a viable 75 mpg car, until then, stfu.
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Well there are several cars already doing 78mpg. Guess since it doesn't have the size of a bus you will not call it viable, but still.
BTW What's wrong with a Toyota Prius? It's reasonably spacey, has some cool high tech features, is probably safer to drive than a hummer H2, has pretty good acceleration which means it will outrun most behemoth SUVs and it still does something like 50mpg. 50 mpg which would save closer to $2,000 a year in gas if you drive 15,000 miles a year compared to an SUV which does 16 mpg. It's sissy because it's a sensible car?
TOK:
--- Quote from: KenToad on May 11, 2007, 12:11:09 am ---I would love to have a Prius, just for the gas mileage.
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Ken, hybrids are the greatest automotive scam in the last 50 years. First, the mileage was over-reported on them by testing them in a low speed testing cycle that maximized battery usage. Once busted, they had to re-do the test cycles and report the correct and substantially lower mileage.
Second, the premium you pay over a standard 4 cylinder car will not repay itself in fuel savings for about 6 or 7 years. That co-incides with the useful life of the battery units. We haven't started hitting this point in the hybrid age yet. Figure 4 to 5 THOUSAND dollars to replace the batteries in a 7+ year old car.
At that point, all your wasted money and environmental do-gooding is negated by the disposal/chemical recycling process of a huge toxic battery. Around that same point, there will start to be some normal wear and tear things like charging and switching failures that are going to make troubleshooting the complex electrical systems of these cars an expensive "guess and replace" nightmare for both mechanics and owners.
Do some real research, not Consumer Reports BS, and you'll find any current hybrid is about the worst purchase decision you could make. If you want to save gas and have a car that will last for many trouble free years, get a standard Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla.
ChadTower:
Here's a screaming endorsement of the Civic... 30-35mpg, reasonable pop for the engine size, practically maintenance free outside of normal wear parts. $16,000 MSRP.
Just going from the 15mpg of an SUV to the 30mpg of the Civic saves a huge amount of money at $3/gallon.
I've been driving my Civic for 100k miles now. The only drawback I've had at all is that it was stolen twice when new.
shardian:
When fuel cell technology is at a well-designed and implemented point, I'll buy into that. From what I understand about the hybrids, the Toyota Corrolla can actually outperform the Prius in gas mileage (or at least be comparable at 30-35) depending on the driving conditions.
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