Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards

[northerngames]

sapphire X1950 pro 512MB ddr3 AGP running stock catalyst 7.3 drivers confirmed working great.

after swapping out the X1650 pro for this X1950 was a little different when first ran.

mamewah would crash on exit and I looked into the log and it stated error 5 cannot run 640X480 @ 72Hrz 16 Bit so I changed the resolution from 16 bit back to 32-bit becuase I forgot to on the intail install.

once I rebooted with it changed to 32-bit color it ran perfect again.

I am using a DVI to vga converter so they do indeed work like that with soft15K

for some reason it only displays the soft15K correctl on the seconday display slot on the AGP card for some reason it would not get any video on the primary port.

and with it running stock vga without soft15K it was vice versa with the ports where vga would only work in the primamry port

I tried catalyst 8.3 & 8.4 and so far there a no go when I try to install them it states their is no hardware found that supports it but I was running them on my X1650 pro so I am a little confused but I also heard that the X1950 pro have their own special drivers apart from all other  Xseries I dunno how true that is until I check into it for sure though.

card also run 7 degree's cooler then the x1650 pro on the ATI tool temp software.

I cannot get the AGP hotter then 48 on a 100% CPU load.

The psu upgrade also helped the temps and actually dropped my CPU temps 12 degrees more overall 

if anyone is going to run one of these cards make sure you have a very powerfull named brand power supply these take two power molex off the PSU and are a very power hungry card.

[Ummon]

I am using a DVI to vga converter so they do indeed work like that with soft15K

Of course it does. There's nothing electronic about those.

for some reason it only displays the soft15K correctl on the seconday display slot on the AGP card for some reason it would not get any video on the primary port.

and with it running stock vga without soft15K it was vice versa with the ports where vga would only work in the primamry port

You might need to mess around in the ATI control panel.


@SS: it occured to me to wonder whether these mobos that have Nvidia integrated graphics - for example, 6100-based - would work with Soft15 and have the same capabilities as external adapters?

[SailorSat]

sapphire X1950 pro 512MB ddr3 AGP running stock catalyst 7.3 drivers confirmed working great.

I tried catalyst 8.3 & 8.4 and so far there a no go when I try to install them it states their is no hardware found that supports it but I was running them on my X1650 pro so I am a little confused but I also heard that the X1950 pro have their own special drivers apart from all other  Xseries I dunno how true that is until I check into it for sure though.

Haven't played with the catalyst 8 series yet.

for some reason it only displays the soft15K correctl on the seconday display slot on the AGP card for some reason it would not get any video on the primary port.

and with it running stock vga without soft15K it was vice versa with the ports where vga would only work in the primamry port

Soft15kHz enforces detection of both VGA Heads, thats why it may change port priorities with it installed.

@SS: it occured to me to wonder whether these mobos that have Nvidia integrated graphics - for example, 6100-based - would work with Soft15 and have the same capabilities as external adapters?

They should work fine.

[Ummon]

Soft15kHz enforces detection of both VGA Heads, thats why it may change port priorities with it installed.

Oh, right, I wondered about that.

@SS: it occured to me to wonder whether these mobos that have Nvidia integrated graphics - for example, 6100-based - would work with Soft15 and have the same capabilities as external adapters?

They should work fine.
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Be interesting to find out, in case anybody out there has one and could test?

[northerngames]

The only reason I had mentioned the DVi to VGA converter is becuase in the begining it was stated that it was unclear if they would work that way or not so if that still puzzled or worried anyone else I wanted to post it does work fine.

I also now am running catalyst Version 8.4 and confirm it works good on this X1950 pro.

at first when I tried them without the actuall ati disk it stated the hardware was not compatible.

I needed drivers so I used the disk with the origanal catalyst 7.3 installed it and it went ok but still was a little goofy but after installed it I ran the same 8.4 drivers and this time it worked withut a hitch and was good to go.

no problem with anything I throw at it now.

[GaijinPunch]

As I am so far out of the hardware scene it is sickening, can someone recommend a good (AGP preferrably) card with VGA out but the "small" kind that will fit in slim PC case?  Trying to regain some real estate.  I have no real preference of ATI or NVidia.  Most searches turn up the smaller cards but with DVI only.  Might have to go used.

[northerngames]

mine is duel dvi with s-video so I use a dvi to vga adaptor.

it can be seen in this picture

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video/pc-x1950pro-scs3/tul_x1950pro_scs3_bundle_sm.jpg

[Ummon]

As I am so far out of the hardware scene it is sickening, can someone recommend a good (AGP preferrably) card with VGA out but the "small" kind that will fit in slim PC case?  Trying to regain some real estate.  I have no real preference of ATI or NVidia.  Most searches turn up the smaller cards but with DVI only.  Might have to go used.

You should go used anyway. Tons of decent, and newer, stuff on ebay if you look. However, small form factor cards I think are hard to come by in general. Not much call for them. Still, look.

[GaijinPunch]

You should go used anyway. Tons of decent, and newer, stuff on ebay if you look. However, small form factor cards I think are hard to come by in general. Not much call for them. Still, look.

Will do.  Thanks for the tip.  One question though... if I get one with DVI out, should I be able to use a DVI/VGA converter, then connect my VGA cable to my arcade monitor?  I guess the short way to say it, will the DVI out cock up the signal at all?

[northerngames]

no everything is fine with the adaptor display wise.

if your monitor is vga hook-up then it is fine it if is red green blue ground H and V wire then you would need a vga breakout cable.

[GaijinPunch]

It's a Japanese arcade monitor (DSUB15) although I mainly use a converter w/ a female JPN21 RGB connector on the other end so I can hook up my supergun and PC to it.

[northerngames]

I run a japanese nanao MS8-26SU

[bent98]

Can someone with an arcade monitor running 15khz test frogger in mame 125 and verify if this a problem for them as well

Game seems to be zoomed in. I tested with 122 and all is fine running at 224x264. I think its a bug in MAME

[ahofle]

Can someone with an arcade monitor running 15khz test frogger in mame 125 and verify if this a problem for them as well

Game seems to be zoomed in. I tested with 122 and all is fine running at 224x264. I think its a bug in MAME

Try running it at 352x256.

[Ummon]

Try running it at 352x256.

Yeah. Shoulda been I'd think in both cases.

[bent98]

Yea I made a typo, I was running it t 352x256. Can you test it with mame 125 and see what you get

[ahofle]

Yes, Frogger in MAME 0.125 is screwed up (it lists the resolution as 224x768 now).

[Ummon]

Yes, Frogger in MAME 0.125 is screwed up (it lists the resolution as 224x768 now).

What lists it as that? (Yeah, funky here, too.)

[bent98]

I tried to sign up at http://mametesters.org/mantis/main_page.php. to report it, but I wasnt able to create an account that let me login.
If anyone has an account please report to the mame team.

[ahofle]

What lists it as that? (Yeah, funky here, too.)

mame -listxml frogger

I tried to sign up at http://mametesters.org/mantis/main_page.php. to report it, but I wasnt able to create an account that let me login.
If anyone has an account please report to the mame team.

I already reported it and they closed it saying it was supposed to be that way now LOL.
So I guess I'll be staying with 0.124 now.

[SailorSat]

looks like another addition to my cabmame TODO list ^^

[bent98]

WTF

How is it supposed to be that way?

[ahofle]

http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=151831&page=0

[bent98]

Ok

So what resolution are we supposed to run it at?

I hope AG has the answer

[ahofle]

1024x768 at a minimum I would assume.
I believe this affects much more than just Frogger BTW as it's part of the galaxian driver.

[bent98]

Would it matter in making a custom rez like 224x768?

[SailorSat]

Well... If you play it vertical, it doesn't matter, as you can create a resolution like 768x240.

However to play it horizontal, you'll have to cheat.

[SailorSat]

A quick'n'dirty cheat to 0.125 ->

commandline...
http://files.arianchen.de/tmp_cabmame.rar

UI...
http://files.arianchen.de/tmp_cabmameui.rar


However you still need to specify a screen mode (352x256 or something like that), as it would select 1024x768 by itself.


P.S. Galaxian looks... err... yeah I don't know if the starfield is right now, but at least it looks pretty interesting.

[chairhome]

Okay, I'm going to ask some really noobie questions, so I apologize in advance.

Just got my J-PAC hooked up, this is my first MAME cabinet setup.  When I install Soft15khz, do I need to do anything else?  Like specify to use it in my front-end or anything?  Or do I just install, reboot, and run my front-end?  Is the regular version of MAME okay, or do I need to use a modded version, like advmame?

Just wondering cause my screen was not synced correctly when it came up... but I figured out it was because I need to set some jumpers on the J-PAC.  Do I just set jumpers for 15khz, too?

Sorry again, but thanks in advance.

[bent98]

Sailor

One other thing I noticed when upgrading from mame 122 to mame 125 is theres no more sound stuttering. I didnt need to use your soundsync hacks. Why is that?

[SailorSat]

Okay, I'm going to ask some really noobie questions, so I apologize in advance.

That's okay Some time is always the first time .)

Just got my J-PAC hooked up, this is my first MAME cabinet setup.  When I install Soft15khz, do I need to do anything else?  Like specify to use it in my front-end or anything?  Or do I just install, reboot, and run my front-end?  Is the regular version of MAME okay, or do I need to use a modded version, like advmame?

You only need to install Soft-15kHz once, then reboot.
After that, you can use the system just as before.
You don't need to change anything.

Just wondering cause my screen was not synced correctly when it came up... but I figured out it was because I need to set some jumpers on the J-PAC.  Do I just set jumpers for 15khz, too?

Yeah, 15kHz Jumper on, others off should do it.

If everything is OK the two SYNC Leds on the J-PAC should light up.

One other thing I noticed when upgrading from mame 122 to mame 125 is theres no more sound stuttering. I didnt need to use your soundsync hacks. Why is that?

Don't know. Maybe someone supplied a generic patch to MAME.

[chairhome]

Thanks, SailorSat, really appreciate it!

[ahofle]

A quick'n'dirty cheat to 0.125 ->

THANK YOU!!!!!   

[bent98]

Will you be releaseing  a diff file to hack the frogger/galaxian rez?

Thanks for your great work BTW

[SailorSat]

IF you are satisfied with it, i can provide that hack as standalone diff

[Ummon]

This is getting really funny. Seems like the devs are starting to actively thwart native res support or something. Which could be good, cos then there will be other builds that cater to us. Someone may even pick up Advancemame, or create something similar.

[SailorSat]

Scrap AdvanceMAME, it's simple not worth trying to update it with all those changes since 0.106
More like would be a patch to SDLMAME so use SVGALIB to create it's modes.

[Ummon]

Scrap AdvanceMAME, it's simple not worth trying to update it with all those changes since 0.106
More like would be a patch to SDLMAME so use SVGALIB to create it's modes.

That might fall into the category of something similar, etc. I'm quite fine with .104, but am all for a newer version if possible. Besides, having to compile something just to use it is so lame.

Now, a more thread-relevant question: I installed soft-15 on a matrox G550, the OS is XP. The matrox drivers seemed to load fine. Soft15 modes loaded. However, after restart, they aren't available.

[SailorSat]

Does it at least output 640x480 in 15kHz?

Guess you just hit the Matrox drivers "Pixel Clock Limit".

[chairhome]

So, I was going to put a jumper on the J-PAC to set it to 15khz... but I don't know which jumper setting it is.  I can't seem to find a list of jumper settings anywhere... it says to look on the J-PAC, but it doesn't say which position to put it in.  Sorry again... can anyone tell me where to put the jumper?