Author Topic: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards (Read 771783 times)

SailorSat · « **Reply #440 on:** March 18, 2008, 02:13:03 pm »

Hm... Thats strange. Should work, maybe your bios drives all available VGA cards.

mchay · « **Reply #441 on:** March 18, 2008, 03:34:38 pm »

I'm sorry if this question has been answered, but here goes. I've setup my computer with soft15khz and connected it with JPAC to my arcade machine. It shows one picture fine, but it goes up and down - if you know what I mean. The picture doesn't stand still. It boots fine into windows, but it's not to any good use as long as the screen is jumping up and down.

Does anyone have a solution?

SailorSat · « **Reply #442 on:** March 18, 2008, 03:36:33 pm »

You will have to adjust V-HOLD (or V-FREQ depending on manufacturer) on your monitor.

mchay · « **Reply #443 on:** March 18, 2008, 04:03:51 pm »

Thanks for the very quick response, it now works like it should. Only minor adjustments needed.

I forgot to mention how much I appreciate your work. This is really a great piece of software :-)

Ummon · « **Reply #444 on:** March 19, 2008, 06:31:29 pm »

Quote from: northerngames on March 18, 2008, 01:56:33 pm

I also have 5 PCI slots and had the card sitting in slot#3 of the 5 PCI slots

any idea's?

I don't think just any of them will work for video.

northerngames · « **Reply #445 on:** March 19, 2008, 08:16:32 pm »

I got my new X1650 pro 512MB AGP in yesterday and I installed it today with soft15K.

Oh, my

it works great I only am running the stock 15K res's that are included and have not tried any custom user modes yet.

when I tried the pci with the arcadevga2 just to see if it would still work as posted on page one and it does not like it say's but with the new card it worked great.

the arcadevga2 will override the pci video card still so that trick does not work with the arcadevga2 card

I stumbled on that trying to get a head start I was not trying to use the arcadevga2 withsoft 15k lol.

when I tried to run soft15k on desktop I either got a error 75 or 9 in the folder and out of the folder gave the difference in the 2 error numbers but when it was in the folder and placed in C: it made no error's.

Ummon: on my mobo the pci video works in any of the 5 spots I use slots 1 3 5 to keep a better space for in between each card for better cooling.

Ummon · « **Reply #446 on:** March 21, 2008, 05:32:16 pm »

Quote from: northerngames on March 19, 2008, 08:16:32 pm

I got my new X1650 pro 512MB AGP in yesterday and I installed it today with soft15K.

Oh, my

it works great I only am running the stock 15K res's that are included and have not tried any custom user modes yet.

when I tried the pci with the arcadevga2 just to see if it would still work as posted on page one and it does not like it say's but with the new card it worked great.

the arcadevga2 will override the pci video card still so that trick does not work with the arcadevga2 card

I stumbled on that trying to get a head start I was not trying to use the arcadevga2 withsoft 15k lol.

when I tried to run soft15k on desktop I either got a error 75 or 9 in the folder and out of the folder gave the difference in the 2 error numbers but when it was in the folder and placed in C: it made no error's.

Ummon: on my mobo the pci video works in any of the 5 spots I use slots 1 3 5 to keep a better space for in between each card for better cooling.

Ah, good.

JKJudgeX · « **Reply #447 on:** March 22, 2008, 02:28:14 pm »

Here's my setup:
GeForce 5700 le
Abandoned Street Fighter 2 Machine w/ functional JAMMA connector.
Ultimarc JPAC

Status:
I can turn on the machine, marquee lights, and screen comes on but stays totally black...

I can't seem to output anything to the screen when plugged in via the JPAC.
The Sync OK light stays off if I am in a normal windows resolution (as it's supposed to I think)...

When I switch to the right resolution via Powerstrip OR Soft 15khz, The sync OK light as well as the Signal light on the JPAC turn on, but the screen stays totally blank.

I also can't get my GeForce 5700 le to recognize that I have anything plugged into the second monitor port, so, I am having to change my resolution and then swap plugs.

Is there any place I can find a description of what the wires are coming from the monitor and where they are supposed to be plugged into the JAMMA connector? Particularly confusing is the black wire with a red and blue U clip on it, I have no idea where that goes.

Any idea why nothing is making it to my arcade screen? Am I doing something wrong?

Thank you so much, been working at this for weeks, and am stumped.

Silver · « **Reply #448 on:** March 22, 2008, 03:05:38 pm »

Quote from: JKJudgeX on March 22, 2008, 02:28:14 pm

Here's my setup...

Not sure you are really in the right thread.

Before you worry about soft15Khz/Powerstrip, you need to sort out your setup.

The jpac has a jumper on it that divides 31Khz signals, allowing you to see the bios screens on your arcade monitor. Make sure you enable this, then see if you can get a pic normally - until you get to the stage where you can, powerstrip and soft15Khz won't work for you.

Email Andy at Ultimarc for support - he is extremely helpful and good at supporting his products.

JKJudgeX · « **Reply #449 on:** March 22, 2008, 03:47:58 pm »

Oh, where should I post this kind of question? I don't know anyone locally at all here in small-town WV who could really help with this kind of thing...

I see the jumpers on the JPAC, I haven't modified them... at this point I think it's probably safest to assume that I've somehow dislodged a cable on the inside of the arcade machine (it's old and been moved a lot)...

There was a point when my inspiron laptop would show bios boot screens on this very machine, before I moved it, but, I don't know what I've changed. There is a black cable coming from the back of the monitor with a blue and red connector that i don't remember where it's supposed to go, but, everything else seems plugged into the only logical place it will fit (aside from the panel controls)

Again, if this is the wrong place for this, I apologize... i'll look around the forums for a better place as soon as I get some lunch... I only post here because I experienced more success with soft15khz than anything else yet in terms of getting the sync OK light on my jpac to light up appropriately.

Thanks!

Silver · « **Reply #450 on:** March 22, 2008, 04:07:03 pm »

No its fine - I meant more that you will have more luck elsewhere - say start a new topic in this forum with your problem - because more people will see it, rather than just those who are following soft-15Khz software development.

I don't have a jpac/arcadevga (one of the reasons I'm using soft-15Khz) so dont' know it well, just know about the 31Khz jumper from the ultimarc website.

brandon · « **Reply #451 on:** March 25, 2008, 07:06:30 pm »

ok.. I'm still having quite a bit of trouble after tweaking custom txt files for the past week or so. I have a radeon x1550 with a Betson trisync.. I'm really starting to think its the card because this monitor "should" be able to handle just about anything... but I've had to remove most of the useful resolutions because they would work.

remove 256,240
remove 256,256
remove 256,264
remove 288,240
remove 296,240
remove 304,240
remove 321,240
remove 321,256
remove 336,240
remove 352,256
remove 352,264
remove 368,240
remove 384,288
remove 392,240
remove 401,256
remove 1280,720

I especially need 352x288 for Pacman,Contra, etc and 401x256 for Mortal Kombat, NBA Jam, SF2 etc...

most resolution in that ball park either come up insanely out or range or crash my computer with a hard reset.. Here's a screen cap of the resolutions I got to work.. most of them useless...

EDIT Just found this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/lrmc maybe I can get something working...

brandon · « **Reply #452 on:** March 25, 2008, 09:34:40 pm »

how do I get LRMC to output in a format that's the same as Soft 15Khz?

fullygully · « **Reply #453 on:** March 26, 2008, 11:47:34 am »

Hi i'm using soft-15khz on my hantarex monitor (15khz) and all works great (mame32) except for the cps3 emulator and the daphne emulator they both give me a black screen after loading.
Is this cause they output a 25 khz signal or am i doing something wrong.

greetz rob

SailorSat · « **Reply #454 on:** March 26, 2008, 01:36:18 pm »

They both output 15kHz, if you only installed 15kHz resolutions.

fullygully · « **Reply #455 on:** March 26, 2008, 01:56:47 pm »

So any ideas on why i get a black screen after loading with cps3 and daphne?

greetz rob

SailorSat · « **Reply #456 on:** March 26, 2008, 02:43:50 pm »

What resolutions do they use?
CPS3 works fine in MAME.

fullygully · « **Reply #457 on:** March 26, 2008, 06:09:21 pm »

cps3 lets you choose from 640:480 and upwards ( i choose 640:480) daphne also uses 640:480.

greetz rob

brandon · « **Reply #458 on:** March 26, 2008, 06:31:19 pm »

earlier in the thread I thought that someone said that ATI didnt have a limit on the number of resolutions you can add only Nvidia.. but I'm running into a limit. Seems to be about 40.. which would be plenty for Mame but right now when I'm testing hundreds of resolutions to find the few that work.. I guess if I understood the modeline calculator but right now its guesswork for me

Ummon · « **Reply #459 on:** March 27, 2008, 04:25:31 pm »

Quote from: fullygully on March 26, 2008, 06:09:21 pm

cps3 lets you choose from 640:480 and upwards ( i choose 640:480) daphne also uses 640:480.

greetz rob

And since your monitor is 15khz, it won't do those, unless it's 640x480 interlaced, yeah? You're not getting a 'black' screen, I think - it's the monitor shutting down until you exit the game. I think you should go to the wiki....as well as research this thread a bit.

Brandon - I don't know what problems you could be having. Plenty of people have been using soft15 Betson multisyncs (I think even the tri-sync) with no problems. I'm using an X1650 with soft15, no problems. I'd recommend starting from scratch, and re-installing the default resolutions. Alternatively, at least just for education's sake, you could scare up my Advancemame thread, follow the tutorial for auto mode, and see how it operates. (Pay attention to the top of the tab menu in-game as it'll show you the pixel, v, and h clocks.)

brandon · « **Reply #460 on:** March 27, 2008, 06:09:14 pm »

Thanks Ummon! my suspicion is that it has to do with the pixel clock.. I get out of sync errors on all the lower resolutions for some reason... but I would be happy with a "doublescan" like 704x288 instead of 352x288 but I can't figure out how do generate the right modeline code using LRMC... What drivers are you using? Catalyst or omega? are you using XP? well, I guess I'll give AdvanceMame another try.. thanks!

fullygully · « **Reply #461 on:** March 28, 2008, 11:55:47 am »

Problem solved

for the black screen in cps3 and daphne emu .

I was using an NVIDIA RIVA TNT@/TNT2 pro wich gave me the black screen after loading.

(In mame the cps3 roms worked perfectly but not in the cps3 emulator.)

I've switched to an ati radeon 9600 and now daphne and the cps3 emulator don't give the black screen anymore and are working perfectly now.

So i had to do someting with the nvidia card .

greetz rob

tx very much for soft 15khz it works great

Ummon · « **Reply #462 on:** March 29, 2008, 05:49:36 pm »

Quote from: brandon on March 27, 2008, 06:09:14 pm

Thanks Ummon! my suspicion is that it has to do with the pixel clock.. I get out of sync errors on all the lower resolutions for some reason... but I would be happy with a "doublescan" like 704x288 instead of 352x288 but I can't figure out how do generate the right modeline code using LRMC... What drivers are you using? Catalyst or omega? are you using XP? well, I guess I'll give AdvanceMame another try.. thanks!

Oh, you know what, I don't think the (advmame) svgawin drivers will work with your card. They don't work with mine. Sorry. Let me know if they do, though. I'm using XP SP2. I've used both the stock drivers on the CD that came with the card and Omega. They behaved the same. I don't know what LRMC is - I've only used the X86 or whatever calculator. Before calculating modes, I think it's helpful to look at both of the following:

http://kirurg.org/emame/timing/

http://easymamecab.mameworld.net/html/monitor1.htm

Also, look up the other three modes in the thread that SS created. (I don't have them handy.)

Quote from: fullygully on March 28, 2008, 11:55:47 am

Problem solved for the black screen in cps3 and daphne emu .

I was using an NVIDIA RIVA TNT@/TNT2 pro wich gave me the black screen after loading.

Hm. I have one of those, but it's in a win98 machine and I couldn't get soft15 modes to even load. I dunno.

SailorSat · « **Reply #463 on:** March 29, 2008, 06:38:34 pm »

Hehe, no NVidia on 98 Ummon

Also you'll need the Visual Basic Runtime in 98

bent98 · « **Reply #464 on:** March 29, 2008, 07:10:20 pm »

Hey when I had my nvidia 7950GT card I had no problems with CPS 3 games, Now with my ATI x1950XT screen goes black. Daphne is fine though.

Wonder whats causing problem

Ummon · « **Reply #465 on:** March 29, 2008, 11:50:41 pm »

Quote from: SailorSat on March 29, 2008, 06:38:34 pm

Hehe, no NVidia on 98 Ummon
Also you'll need the Visual Basic Runtime in 98

Ya, sorry, I forgot about that. (No wonder it kept saying radeon 7000 series when I'd start it up, as I guess I still have those drivers in there.) Natch. But I got Advancemame running with it. Thanks.

Stobe · « **Reply #466 on:** March 30, 2008, 01:38:25 am »

First time Soft15Khz user.....

I installed it on Windows XP. Vid card is an old Geforce MX (with forceware 7.something, I think??) Clicked on "Install 15Khz". Then changed system resolution to 640x480 60Hz.

Then I rebooted and hooked it up to my standard res jamma cab.

I got the double screen through bios and Windows loading screen.

Then at the login screen, this is what I got. And clue what I missed?

Thanks for any help!
-Stobe

brandon · « **Reply #467 on:** March 30, 2008, 04:43:25 am »

I'm beginnng to think that the X1550 just isnt very compatible.. I initially tried catalyst 8.3 and then rolled back to 7.3. it still wont do those lower resolution like 352x288 and 401x256. I think I might just give in and try an AVGA.. X550 should still be ok for PC gaming too

SailorSat · « **Reply #468 on:** March 30, 2008, 07:36:36 am »

Quote from: Stobe on March 30, 2008, 01:38:25 am

I installed it on Windows XP. Vid card is an old Geforce MX (with forceware 7.something, I think??) Clicked on "Install 15Khz". Then changed system resolution to 640x480 60Hz.

It would be nice to know what forceware exactly you are using.
As for the Windows Image, it MAY be your card does not support interlace, so try changing the desktop resolution now (can be pretty tricky though) to something like 640x240.

Ummon · « **Reply #469 on:** March 31, 2008, 01:32:01 am »

I have a Geforce4 MX440 (I think 88. something ware) on XP and had not trouble with soft15. However, I am having trouble with an ati rage 128 pro on win98. After several attempts and a few hours, and NOTHING at ATI being compatible, I FINALLY found a driver that worked on some super obscure site. But, soft15 doesn't recognize the adapter....

SailorSat · « **Reply #470 on:** March 31, 2008, 06:21:20 am »

Well only ATI catalyst drivers are supported, and those only support Radeon based cards, no Rage128 sry.
However you should try AdvMAME with this one.

Ummon · « **Reply #471 on:** March 31, 2008, 05:48:20 pm »

Quote from: SailorSat on March 31, 2008, 06:21:20 am

Well only ATI catalyst drivers are supported, and those only support Radeon based cards, no Rage128 sry.
However you should try AdvMAME with this one.

Oh, right, only Catalyst. Sheesh, double minus for reading comprehension. You know, I did try Advancemame - and I got some weird gibberish about signal something, and it went back to the prompt.

brandon · « **Reply #472 on:** April 02, 2008, 12:03:36 am »

OK.. I just tested Soft 15Khz on an entirely different PC with a Geforce 4 TI4280 (AGP). It worked PERFECTLY

So now I know that the problems I was having before were all because of the Radeon X1550. With the X1550 none of the following 15khz resolutions would work:

256 240 60Hz
256 256 60Hz
256 264 60Hz
288 240 60Hz
296 240 60Hz
304 240 60Hz
321 240 60Hz
321 256 60Hz
336 240 60Hz
352 256 60Hz
352 264 60Hz
352 288 50Hz
368 240 60Hz
384 288 50Hz
392 240 60Hz
401 256 53Hz

The TI4280 worked wonderfully... BUT it wont work in my Mame cab because its AGP. Looks like the X1550 is going up for sale!

Any suggestions for PCI-E cards??

SailorSat · « **Reply #473 on:** April 02, 2008, 06:39:34 am »

nvidia 7600gt
but i'm looking for a "good" card myself right now

ahofle · « **Reply #474 on:** April 02, 2008, 10:43:20 am »

I just installed this last night and what a great piece of software. Thanks!
I have a couple questions though. Since I have a Betson Multisync, I installed 15khz, then 25khz, and then 31khz. I also added a line in custom31khz.txt for a progressive 800x600 and that seemed to work perfectly. Things seem to be working well so far -- tried a few 15khz resolutions and they look great. The desktop also looks great at 800x600. However, I noticed I am missing a 321x240 15khz entry. There is a 320x240, but when I select it it's really a VGA resolution (monitor OSD shows 31khz @ 60hz). Any idea how to fix this?

Also, I am wondering if it's possible to have an interlaced 1024x768 25khz mode for people with EGA monitors or multisyncs?

SailorSat · « **Reply #475 on:** April 02, 2008, 10:49:27 am »

As for 321x240... hm... yeah good question...

As for interlaced 1024x768... try this one
modeline '1024x768@59,959i' 29,49 1024 1040 1136 1200 768 776 782 820 interlace -hsync -vsync

ahofle · « **Reply #476 on:** April 02, 2008, 11:15:32 am »

Thanks for the 1024x768 modeline!

Quote from: SailorSat on April 02, 2008, 10:49:27 am

As for 321x240... hm... yeah good question...

Do you think I could add a 321x240 modeline to usermodes.txt and then 'install user mode'? Will that mess anything up? Do you happen to have a modeline for that I can try?

brandon · « **Reply #477 on:** April 02, 2008, 11:50:31 am »

Quote from: ahofle on April 02, 2008, 11:15:32 am

Thanks for the 1024x768 modeline!

Quote from: SailorSat on April 02, 2008, 10:49:27 am
As for 321x240... hm... yeah good question...

Do you think I could add a 321x240 modeline to usermodes.txt and then 'install user mode'? Will that mess anything up? Do you happen to have a modeline for that I can try?

what kind of card are you using?

maybe try this one... its 320x240 at 15khz

modeline "320x240@57p;15,732kHz" 6,670368 320 336 392 424 240 252 270 276

SailorSat · « **Reply #478 on:** April 02, 2008, 12:01:21 pm »

That may work, however you should change the active 320 pixels to 321, as Windows surely f*cks around with it.

ahofle · « **Reply #479 on:** April 02, 2008, 12:27:21 pm »

It's an ATI 9600XT.
Which '320' do I change to '321'? LOL (Sorry I'm a newbie at these modelines).


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